Feedback Regarding the Relic Upgrade Quest

[Swishytail]

For the best weapon in the game that was meant to be extremely rare. Also Dynamis was new content that's a lot better than reused Fates. Different things here.

Can't rule Atma/Animus/???/??? out just yet. The upgrades are far from finished. (2.25, 2.3+)
Relic dagger wasn't the strongest weapon, either, until the very end. I'm sure this is just the beginning.

Dynamis was fun, yes, but doing Dynamis-Bastok 38 times for currency was no different than any other
grind. It also turned into a snooze-fest at points. Don't get me wrong, I loved XI. Played for 8 years.

Anyhow, it's just a silly thing to see people blowing their tops over 30 hours of farming. Just my opinion.

Edit: Also, I do not agree with FATEing, so don't get me wrong there. It definitely could have been a better
quest setup. If you really think about it, though, the time commitment to get this weapon isn't as bad as back
in the day.

[Doo]

Anyhow, it's just a silly thing to see people blowing their tops over 30 hours of farming. Just my opinion.

Yeah but Dynamis was fun for a long time and it's 100x better than Fates. That's my issue with Fates it's not the grind, it just wasn't fun to begin with. You're just doing low tutorial reused content for one of the best weapons in the game. There's really no comparing the grind time because the quality of items you get is a lot different.

[ArcFinix]

Anyhow, it's just a silly thing to see people blowing their tops over 30 hours of farming. Just my opinion.

Edit: Also, I do not agree with FATEing, so don't get me wrong there. It definitely could have been a better
quest setup. If you really think about it, though, the time commitment to get this weapon isn't as bad as back
in the day.

see my previous post on comparing with OLD game.. community changes so do game

However i agree that its silly for ppl to blow their top over 30 hours of farming.. but the key problem here is not grinding but unfairness..

Again a simple example. i get first atma in a day (all 12), 2nd atma in a week (across the whole 7 days) and just finish my third after having stuck at 11/12 for a week (zero drop for the whole week)

Now think about ppl who farm all 3 weeks and got nothing.. or some 1 farm 9 days, getting 12 per day for all 9 weapons.. THAT is the problem. of course i am giving an extreme end example, if u want to avg it out.. i get my first 12 in a day and my friend got their first 12 in 2 weeks +.. that itself is not fair already

[Mcshiggs]

Now think about ppl who farm all 3 weeks and got nothing.. or some 1 farm 9 days, getting 12 per day for all 9 weapons.. THAT is the problem. of course i am giving an extreme end example, if u want to avg it out.. i get my first 12 in a day and my friend got their first 12 in 2 weeks +.. that itself is not fair already

How is this different from people that cleared Turn 5 for over 2 months before they saw a white mage weapon drop? At least with fates if you put in the time, you will eventually get it, with coil you were allowed one chance per week for your loot, there are still a couple pieces from turn 1 my group still hasn't seen drop, we weren't in the first groups to clear it, but we have been clearing it for a few months, and still have yet to see healer gloves or the dragoon chest drop. With fates too, the more you have to, it's not like you are getting nothing, you get a little bit of gil and a decent amount of seals, but with the amount people are saying they are having to run, that adds up to a healthy amount of sweet sweet gils and pretty much unlimited ventures or crafting materials you can sell.

[ArcFinix]

How is this different from people that cleared Turn 5 for over 2 months before they saw a white mage weapon drop? At least with fates if you put in the time, you will eventually get it, with coil you were allowed one chance per week for your loot, there are still a couple pieces from turn 1 my group still hasn't seen drop, we weren't in the first groups to clear it, but we have been clearing it for a few months, and still have yet to see healer gloves or the dragoon chest drop. With fates too, the more you have to, it's not like you are getting nothing, you get a little bit of gil and a decent amount of seals, but with the amount people are saying they are having to run, that adds up to a healthy amount of sweet sweet gils and pretty much unlimited ventures or crafting materials you can sell.

The different here is, u clear coil for top content, u get a 100% drop for your group. it is group effort and every week its grantee gearing up for the group.

This is individual effort, you are not doing top content, u get gil and seal for repair and venture? or u want seal for more gil? all of which can be produce at a faster rate if u craft and play the market. (which is more fun then.. mindlessly grinding fate since u need to plan and think abit)
You do not see progression and you do expect anything as everything and nothing can happen.

Now shorten the time.. given coil can be farmed now.. i can all loot drop from T1 to T4.. faster then i get 4 atma. if you really want to compare.. compare with farm-able item.. not one with a lock out and one is just pure RNG.