Over 36 RL hours farming my last Atma and counting

[LunarEmerald]

Best strategy for farming atmas is to only stay in the fate a few seconds. Hit the enemy a couple times and leave to the next. This method allows you to get participation credit in almost every single one that pops up. It's a numbers game. An atma has roughly a 2.5% drop chance. Staying till the fate finishes is just wasting time. The game only checks for participation. What medal you get doesn't matter, but even gold requires little effort. About 4-5 full rotations on a boss fate and 4-5 fate enemies killed. As long as you're still in the same zone as the fate when it finishes, you get credit and the potential atma drop.

After grinding like crazy the past two days, I got my atma. weapon. A few atmas dropped within 5 fates. some took 15-20, most took around 30-50 and one bastard one took close to 100.

[Djeserit]

After grinding like crazy the past two days, I got my atma. weapon. A few atmas dropped within 5 fates. some took 15-20, most took around 30-50 and one bastard one took close to 100.

I've been trying to do 1/day since patch, and have been holding that pace fairly well. Most took me 30-50 fates, one took 90, and only 1 has dropped in the first 20.

Central Thanalan has taken me over 200 so far, and still no drop. I ragequit for the day.

[Jinko]

The chance to obtain an atma following a FATE is the same regardless of how many FATEs you did previously. It's not a cumulative thing, it's a completely independent event.

If it has a 5% drop rate, that's only an average of 1 in 20. But it's a 1 in 20 chance, on average, every single time. It would be great if probability worked on the concept that, by the 20th event you will guarantee get the atma. But, no, it doesn't work like that. All it means is that, if 1000 people participated in a single FATE, and you gathered the results of who got one and who didn't, you would expect ~5% of those players (ie, 50 of them) to have obtained an atma. It could be drastically more or less, because that's only 1 event. Repeat that over 10000 events (or FATEs), and you would start to see closer to an average of ~5% of players getting a particular atma.

So it doesn't matter how long you spend doing it, it's simply probability or luck. That's why you can get people who have all 12 in 4-5 hours, and some who haven't got 1 in 30+ hours. Thus, why there is no point in farming ad exhaustium and complain about how the system is unfair etc. Of course it's unfair; the drop rate is absurdly low. But at least SE can predict that only a small percentage of the player base will actually progress to stage 2.

LOL I am aware that by doing more fates the percentage of a drop is the same, it still doesn't change the fact that by doing more you get more chances at the drop.

Come on you know what I meant !

[Tupsi]

typically Asian its infuriating. (I guess I should find a shrine and pray to the god of luck who every that may be)

What's typically american then? I'm Asian, so...care to explain?

[Jinko]

What's typically american then? I'm Asian, so...care to explain?

Well I didn't mean to be offensive, I'm not American though so don't ask me.

[Deathscythe343]

Well just as a heads up you have to do even more farming after the atmas. 13000 myth of farming (thats 260 dungeon runs @ 10-20 minutes each) and more fate quests and low level dungeon quests after. So try not to burn yourselves out.

And yet, people are ok with the after atma portion because it is progress they can see. They know exactly how many of more kills they need of x mob, how many more dungeons to run, etc. You don't have that with the atma fate grind. There is only hope that you will get the atma and can go to another zone to start again.

[Deathscythe343]

snip.

It's not my intention to sound intelligent or unintelligent. You don't care about what I have to say, and that is certainly your right.

Your orginal point was that RNG was fair because it was a system that was applied to everyone. The alternative solution, as you put, it is simply that. Another way this feature could have been done that was as fair as RNG.

I know exactly why SE chose this route. It's a time sync. The longer it takes for this to be done, the longer you are playing the game. The longer you are playing the game, the more revenue they have coming in. They don't want people to blow through the content quickly and then have nothing to do. Except that this has already happened.

[Failia]

I still have my original relic (haven't started on +1 yet) as I was working on other gear and such first before even considering. However, when I start working on getting my Atma, I will be sacrificing a lot of things to the RNGods to bring me swiftly to the end. I've plays lots of games where the drops were random (at sometimes it was just killing a placeholder that gives you a % chance to get to the mob that has a random chance of dropping what you want) so I know all about the grind.

[Deathscythe343]

What's typically american then? I'm Asian, so...care to explain?

Perhaps that, typically, Asian MMOs are more "grind" than their American counterparts.

[Naunet]

you sure you are in the right location? One description is wrong.

@.@ Which one?