Over 36 RL hours farming my last Atma and counting

[Deathscythe343]

Everyone has the same drop rate, everyone is rolling a dice. It's fair as long as the same rules apply to everyone.

Fair, in this sense, is a very grey area. But the ranges of which people acquire these items is so ranging that it does make people question things.

Also, your reply to Djeserit's comment actually reinforces his idea. You say that as long as a rule applies to everyone, then that rule is fair. His idea would apply to everyone, and by your own logic, is fair.

A lot of people just want a more tangibly visible progression. Even if you were to double Djeserit's suggestion it is, at least, a better way have handled this feature. In its current form you can get the item you need for this quest 1 min from now, 1 hour from now, 1 day from now, 1 week from now, etc, etc, or never. A player's ability to progress on this quest is directly impinged on this.

[KenzieLynch]

Neither of which, makes it right.

Sure, if you want to bring such a juvanile element to the debate. Those who are arguing against the content do not make it wrong either. Shall we go on the see-saw now?

[Calyanare]

Atma was not intended to be farmed, it was intended to be gradually obtained over time.

This is probably true. I think SE underestimates just how much the player base detests FATEs and thinks they are boring. Outside of leveling (back when dungeons were crap XP so you had no choice), did anyone ever do any FATEs at all before there were Atma to be gained from them? Of course not, we don't like them. As open world content, they are a failure because nobody does them unless they are forced to do so.

Also, you can't just release a quest (yeah, technically it's not a quest, I'm using the generic term here) and assume that people will be chill about it and not try to complete it as soon as they possibly can, people just aren't like that.

Well just as a heads up you have to do even more farming after the atmas. 13000 myth of farming (thats 260 dungeon runs @ 10-20 minutes each) and more fate quests and low level dungeon quests after. So try not to burn yourselves out.

See, I don't have a problem with that. It's a visible goal with a counter I can increment just by putting in effort. Is the Atma portion of the quest like this? Nope. Any one Atma can take anywhere from 30 seconds to 100 hours of effort, with no way to know when/if you will ever be finished. In another thread someone pointed to this article Why Waiting Is Torture, here's a quote from it: "Uncertainty magnifies the stress of waiting, while feedback in the form of expected wait times and explanations for delays improves the tenor of the experience." I'd recommend taking a look at this article for anyone who doesn't understand why people are complaining.

[Deathscythe343]

Sure, if you want to bring such a juvanile element to the debate. Those who are arguing against the content do not make it wrong either. Shall we go on the see-saw now?

We can if you would like. I was merely trying to point out that, while you were on your high horse, being there does not make it the right position.

[Pylfer]

Well just as a heads up you have to do even more farming after the atmas. 13000 myth of farming (thats 260 dungeon runs @ 10-20 minutes each) and more fate quests and low level dungeon quests after. So try not to burn yourselves out.

[KenzieLynch]

Fair, in this sense, is a very grey area. But the ranges of which people acquire these items is so ranging that it does make people question things.

Also, your reply to Djeserit's comment actually reinforces his idea. You say that as long as a rule applies to everyone, then that rule is fair. His idea would apply to everyone, and by your own logic, is fair.

A lot of people just want a more tangibly visible progression. Even if you were to double Djeserit's suggestion it is, at least, a better way have handled this feature. In its current form you can get the item you need for this quest 1 min from now, 1 hour from now, 1 day from now, 1 week from now, etc, etc, or never. A player's ability to progress on this quest is directly impinged on this.

First of all, I'm not interested in the type of debate you want to have. Only seeing 2 or 3 of your comments it's clear you resort to trying to sound intelligent rather than saying anything worthwhile. If you want proof of this, your comment that I was 'reinforcing' Djeserets proposal only makes his solution an alternative and doesn't refute my original point at all. You are, as they say, arguing for arguments sake.

Secondly, you make it increasingly clear that you do not understand WHY Square Enix have opted for this route of progression. So yeah, to be short i'm just not interested in what you have to say.

[Lucke]

Well just as a heads up you have to do even more farming after the atmas. 13000 myth of farming (thats 260 dungeon runs @ 10-20 minutes each) and more fate quests and low level dungeon quests after. So try not to burn yourselves out.

That's fine. At least then I can measure my progress and I know that after every single dungeon I do, I know that I'm that much closer to the next part. Atma farming is just a crap shoot with no measurable progress toward the next Atma.

[CrAZYVIC]

THANK YOU SE <.<

You are lucky this grind do not involve, over 100 hours of farm >_>.

[Obysuca]

4 days farming North Shroud and nothing, so I moved to East shroud and got it within 30 mins -.- Then I tried Central, again, within an hour. Went back to North to finish off Gridania's, nothing all day. Either I have horrible luck on that zone or SE set the % differently per zone

[devilzpawn]

Outer La Nocea? It wasnt until I made a joke about praying to Tom Cruise to use his witchcraft for a drop that it did drop right after! shoulda took a screenie.