Plan to remove benefit for failing leves?

[Reika]

If you come on at JP time, the servers are heavily lagged at Broken Water. I'd say a vast majority does this. Everyone I know and everyone that everyone knows does this. If SE has acknowledged this and have not put a ban hammer on players like they did with salvage, then I'd assume it will always be here unless the leve system as a whole is completely revamped. Until then, argue all you want on morals on this subject, because morals are still opinions, and everyone has his or her own opinion.

Very much so. I have yet to play with anyone on my server that does not fail the 3 Broken water leves, and other leves at other camps. No japanese player i play with fails to fail the leves. I really only see a handful of cases where someone absolutely wont do it, and one case where a person quit the game because others did it (which is a stupid reason to quit over).

[Vackashken]

Well neither of us can offer any proof to the matter. I just highly doubt the majority of the games players DONT fail those best leves once they learn of the process. Always have someone making a new thread every few weeks asking if its ok to do...

Which is why I thought it was bogus of you to say that. You have no empirical data to say what you said before. Nor did I imply that players don't fail leves majority or otherwise. And yes, as you pointed out these threads crop up time to time and every single time the "majority" who respond don't like it with the same people zealously defending it. Yet even in that I wouldn't stipulate anything solid - so again, your previous statement is bogus.

People want a change - that is incontestable. Whats even better is the devs had said its going to change. This blip needs to go. Permanently.

[Reika]

Which is why I thought it was bogus of you to say that. You have no empirical data to say what you said before. Nor did I imply that players don't fail leves majority or otherwise. And yes, as you pointed out these threads crop up time to time and every single time the "majority" who respond don't like it with the same people zealously defending it. Yet even in that I wouldn't stipulate anything solid - so again, your previous statement is bogus.

People want a change - that is incontestable. Whats even better is the devs had said its going to change. This blip needs to go. Permanently.

Well lets go with how many people I know on my server that has never and would never fail a leve to achieve maximum reset-ly sp. Then lets go with how many you know on your server.

I know one.... your turn.

[Vackashken]

Well lets go with how many people I know on my server that has never and would never fail a leve to achieve maximum reset-ly sp. Then lets go with how many you know on your server.

I know one.... your turn.

Your attempt to be witty is stupid. I have already stated , after getting 3 battle jobs the old fashion way, have been doing it for archer. The point wasn't if people do it or not - that isn't in question. The point is people want a change because its cheesey and rewarding failure, not something you build a game on. Again - as the dev has said its changing and its very welcome.

Know what direction the conversation steered from next time you try to be clever.

[Reika]

Your attempt to be witty is stupid. I have already stated , after getting 3 battle jobs the old fashion way, have been doing it for archer. The point wasn't if people do it or not - that isn't in question. The point is people want a change because its cheesey and rewarding failure, not something you build a game on. Again - as the dev has said its changing and its very welcome.

Know what direction the conversation steered from next time you try to be clever.

why dont you just answer the question... Because the truth is the majority of your server fails the leves right? the majority of every server fails the leves. And until SE balances leve rewards, they'll continue to do so, and SE will continue to allow it. Mainly because they know the totally shitty leves was their own blunder.

[Vackashken]

why dont you just answer the question...

Because its stupid, inconsequential and pointless since that questions answer has already been well established. I'm glad you can follow a point so well. Just when I was worried I'd need to leave bread crumbs for you.

[ApplePie]

Your attempt to be witty is stupid. I have already stated , after getting 3 battle jobs the old fashion way, have been doing it for archer. The point wasn't if people do it or not - that isn't in question. The point is people want a change because its cheesey and rewarding failure, not something you build a game on. Again - as the dev has said its changing and its very welcome.

Know what direction the conversation steered from next time you try to be clever.

Uh, they are changing by adding a bonus if you complete the leve. They aren't removing the abandoning option. Again, I see far more people for abandoning leves than against it. Obviously that alone can tell you there are several people who aren't against this.

Btw, when you tell people to stop using "semantics" when your only count-argument is "lol, stop trying to be witty" or "lol, it isn't my opinion so idc". Honestly, nobody else cares about your opinion on abandoning leves. You can't claim to want constructive criticism and then at the same time refuse to give it. Goes both ways

[Vackashken]

Uh, they are changing by adding a bonus if you complete the leve. They aren't removing the abandoning option. Again, I see far more people for abandoning leves than against it. Obviously that alone can tell you there are several people who aren't against this.

Btw, when you tell people to stop using "semantics" when your only count-argument is "lol, stop trying to be witty" or "lol, it isn't my opinion so idc". Honestly, nobody else cares about your opinion on abandoning leves. You can't claim to want constructive criticism and then at the same time refuse to give it. Goes both ways

Shh, run along - you're way over your head.

[Reika]

So going back..... The majority of players will defend and perform the act of abandoning leves in order to have them next reset.

[ApplePie]

Shh, run along - you're way over your head.

Thanks for proving my point. GG thread, going back to l4d2 now