Plan to remove benefit for failing leves?

[Galoot]

Personally I think anyone who looks down on people for abandoning a leve are just dumb...Because you see your way as the "moral" thing to do, does not make you any better for doing it that way. The fact of the matter is, your just stubborn and can't grip the fact that it's the way for the most SP and to ensure that you have the same leve over and over again. Let me say congratu-f-ing-lations for completing leves! You're the man or woman! In reality most people don't have as much time as others to play this game. For that fact most will "analyze" (syntax) the game and look for the way to best spend their time on the game and progress. I'm surprised everyone doesn't do it this way, because there is no cheating involved when your still doing the leves and waiting for resets. All your doing is maximizing your time playing the game and progressing which I thought is what everyone does...No one called it cheating or exploiting in FFXI when people started to do BLM PTs or TP Burn PTs. If it's in the game and available there should be no conflict...good luck to yah.

[Reika]

And.... Molly defends failing leves once again so that leve abandoning can be a reason to hold a 200 person linkshell together. I doubt all the r30s spamming levinshower are really interested in your end game failings. At least you stopped calling people names like "douche".

I don't think Molly is the only one defending leve failing...... most of the people that play this game defend it. There is but a small resistance against it.

[Kiote]

This even being a conversation shows how fail the leveling system in the game really is. Too bad I don't ever see them removing the focus away from leve leveling to a more real quest based style of leveling that introduces us to the entire game by going to all the diff camps and not just 3-4 camps out of the entire world.

Quest Based Leveling Is the Sole reason why people in WoW-like games do not party together outside of raids. When you have a Quest based leveling system players have to waste so much time ensuring they all have the same quests that it becomes too much effort to deal with. Quest based leveling also ensures that any player can level from 1 to cap without ever interacting with another player in the game. This is completely contradictory to the concept of an MMO and goes against SEs philosophy of what an MMO is for. This game is and always will be a community game. That is why we have heated debates on forums and that is why we have seen a push toward a more party Based combat system. In the end our game will be better for not having a quest based leveling system.

[Kallera]

Personally I think anyone who looks down on people for abandoning a leve are just dumb...Because you see your way as the "moral" thing to do, does not make you any better for doing it that way. The fact of the matter is, your just stubborn and can't grip the fact that it's the way for the most SP and to ensure that you have the same leve over and over again. Let me say congratu-f-ing-lations for completing leves! You're the man or woman! In reality most people don't have as much time as others to play this game. For that fact most will "analyze" (syntax) the game and look for the way to best spend their time on the game and progress. I'm surprised everyone doesn't do it this way, because there is no cheating involved when your still doing the leves and waiting for resets. All your doing is maximizing your time playing the game and progressing which I thought is what everyone does...No one called it cheating or exploiting in FFXI when people started to do BLM PTs or TP Burn PTs. If it's in the game and available there should be no conflict...good luck to yah.

RMTs are in the game, griefers are in the game...if there was an exploit that allowed you to get millions of gil selling items to npcs would you use it?
Because isn't that what befell the salvage dupers?

Or how about that strategy against AV? That was in the game, the players used it...

[Raze]

Most of the people that play this game defend it.

Most of the people rush multiple jobs to 50 in this fashion (not you specifically! I don't know your play style) and complain there's no end game. It never ends.

[Vackashken]

most of the people that play this game defend it. There is but a small resistance against it.

I'd say thats bogus.

[Raze]

I'd say thats bogus.

I'm gonna go with Vack on this one as well.

[Reika]

I'd say thats bogus.

Well neither of us can offer any proof to the matter. I just highly doubt the majority of the games players DONT fail those best leves once they learn of the process. Always have someone making a new thread every few weeks asking if its ok to do...

[ApplePie]

If you come on at JP time, the servers are heavily lagged at Broken Water. I'd say a vast majority does this. Everyone I know and everyone that everyone knows does this. If SE has acknowledged this and have not put a ban hammer on players like they did with salvage, then I'd assume it will always be here unless the leve system as a whole is completely revamped. Until then, argue all you want on morals on this subject, because morals are still opinions, and everyone has his or her own opinion.

[KumaAkuma]

I'm flattered that other people are concerned for my well being for not getting gill, faction points, marks, because I keep failing my leves.

They also keep saying "Oh you, don't be so hard on yourself. Always picking the hardest leves, with all those mobs you have to kill. Why don't you get devlit inside once in a while so you only have to kill like two mobs to complete a leve!"

And then they pat me consollingly, while they whisper behind my back to their friends "Poor guy, he failed his leves again and he had the same ones at the counter, so he has to do 16 leves instead of 8 leves today"

At the end of the day when they see me back in Uldah, they even try to cheer me up "Don't worry about it. You'll get the hang of it eventually. At least you made some sp right? What, you got 140k sp today? That's... good... good job..."

So much love!