SE - 2.2 is Going to Cost You Greatly

[Spanky]

I have 6 retainers without a paid retainer.

Oh do you ? You mean you have 3 characters so you pay 3-4$ more a month than it costs for 1 character, thus paying more to get more... right?

Also, to note.. Find another pay to play game that has servers this bad, and still offers ANY service to players that they can pay more money to get more items than the normal player who doesn't pay more. Find 1. I'll wait.

[Astralos]

And what advantage over me do those 30K give? Let me answer for you: None.

You do realize you aren't the only player who plays FFXIV, right? Not everything is about you.

[Tupsi]

You do realize you aren't the only player who plays FFXIV, right? Not everything is about you.

His point was, what does your extra 30k have over him? How does it make you go through coil? How does it make your Atmas drop faster? How does it get you 130k Myth? You have nearly 0 advantage over someone who doesn't pay for extra retainers.

If we had a real economy, sure you'd be making more gil, but what is your gil going to that gives you such a HUGE advantage?

[Yshnal]

Also, people magically stopped complaining about the paid retainer services..because they either bought them or just stopped caring.

Or maybe we saw that SE didn't bother to listen, and acted consequently by not buying said retainers, changing our sub to the entry one, and even not caring at all about the Steam promotion running right now (I would have bought a couple of their games to gift them, but not after this). They want to get greedy? Fine, but they get less money from me.

The time for feedback has passed, and I'm pretty sure that they're aware of our opinions already. It's time for action now, so that maybe they listen to that. The ball is in their court.

[Astralos]

His point was, what does your extra 30k have over him? How does it make you go through coil? How does it make your Atmas drop faster? How does it get you 130k Myth? You have nearly 0 advantage over someone who doesn't pay for extra retainers.

If we had a real economy, sure you'd be making more gil, but what is your gil going to that gives you such a HUGE advantage?

And my point was that just because it might not grant a large advantage over him in particular, it doesn't mean that it won't grant advantages over other players.

What HUGE advantages does somebody's i115 gear have over my i70-i90 when I'm not interested in any "hardcore" endgame activities to begin with?

[Tupsi]

Thing is: They did this knowing that people will buy it, so in the end they'll probably be making much more money than losing on the handful of people that are pissed off. I personally didn't buy extra retainers but people usually say the forum community is barely a representative, so while a few people want to unsub, change sub to entry..it's not going to hurt them much.

So more power to you, but this is far from "greed" when you get down to it.

And my point was that just because it might not grant a large advantage over him in particular, it doesn't mean that it won't grant advantages over other players.

What HUGE advantages does somebody's i115 gear have over my i70-i90 when I'm not interested in any "hardcore" endgame activities to begin with?

Yeah and his point was it's not granting you any advantage over someone who doesn't have an extra retainer in any meaningful way as gil is useless due to the state of our current economies.

What advantage does an i115 have over your i70-90? Go into Turn 6 and find out - That's an ACTUAL example of having an advantage, something that can actually give you a marked advantage in terms of progression. Not an extra 30-40k, that's almost nothing since dropped gear (stuff you can't buy) is still much better than crafted gear since you can't really craft a better weapon when you think about it.

[Hyrist]

I don't think you need a piece of paper for stating the obvious.

What's obvious is that the last time people said "OMG SE YOU"RE GOING TO LOSE ALL YOUR SUBSCRIBERZ!" The subscription number actually rose.

So, unless you got an 8ball stashed in there, I think it's safe to say the common mantra of the internet to use hyperbole that's usually false is a fair assumption, even in this case.

[silentwindfr]

the fate grinding don't bring life into the map, you simply have a zerg moving from a fate to another, screwing the people of the right level for it.
i don't find the part of the atma grind clever, the second part of the zodiac weapon is brilliant. but the trouble is this artificial increase of time to get it by adding RNG on FATE, some lucky people already did get them Atma, some in less of 12 hours, but other have spend 3 day at do only this without seeing one.

RNG is not a solution, is a poor mechanisme for add life to a systeme. is not the right way to do it, especially since the atma phase only bring what? swap color. you don't even get a small boost of stat. nope, only a color change of your weapon.

FATE-Farming is not a solution... this system is not fair and simply idiot. we all know that thief is coming (the story of the 2.2 is clear enough about this) when it will come, you will need one more time to get 12 atma for this class. they had tons of way to make it more fun while still asking a lot of work. like giving us quest that will ask to do fate in an are a certain number for charge the atma and get it. it was more fair and it was easier to see how many time it will take. there you have the lucky one and the other.

[Rex]

There are a severe number of changes causing rifts in the player base.

We've received no communication thus far on them nor replies to any of the numerous complaint threads.

I don't want this to turn into a complaint thread, nor do I wish you to flame me for pointing this out to the developers.

I simply want you, SE, to please come out & start talking.

2.2 marks a radical shift in the dynamic of the game, it didn't make for simple additions. Mass-grinding, paid services that give market-advantages (debatable), further broken servers & lag, an incredibly weak story (opinion), severe nerfs plus echo, the list goes on...

I would consider this communication your upmost priority, it's urgent how quickly you're going to lose players in the hundreds (people already unsubbing, fact), even thousands (potentially).

And please take our words in kind, and carefully consider your next move.

NOTE: just because you like it & your friends do, doesn't mean the whole of the playerbase does... an argument that people enjoy it & it won't affect the # of subscribers is naïve at best. Sorry, that is no argument. Glad you're sticking around though! I personally enjoy 2.2 minus a few gripes here or there.

We've got another "gamer" turned professional critic on our hands!

Stopped taking it seriously when you implied that Square doesn't communicate with us.

Though I didn't take this thread seriously at all actually

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

Housing, to start with.

FC housing is a long term goal any average FC can archive depending on their dedication. You won`t get anywhere near the money you need for example, a L house by having 2 extra retainers. If something, you will just shot yourself in the foot because retainers farm x18.000 slower than you and markets, active markets, are already crowded enough so, if you start to use those retainers to list things, you will just sell slower, not to mention you will have to manage 2 more item list and care to undercut another 40 items. Have fun!

Personal housing, we know nothing, just that they will be "far more affordable" i have 1 million gil, past month my FC got our M house so i used a bit of my gil. There, im having an advantage over you without paying, wtf, im a sorcerer!

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Get real, retainers give NOTHING to you.

I never said everything was about me, nor was I the one asking and then answering his own questions. ^^;

Anyway, I think you're taking this too personally if you're getting this upset and aggressive about it. Maybe you should take a break from the forums for a bit?

You just dont get the point. Retainers give no advantage to no one. Not small, not big, not nothing, they do not give an advantage.