SE - 2.2 is Going to Cost You Greatly

[MANTASTIC]

I really liked the part where they made myth a bigger pain in the ass to get than it was when it was capped per week. Its always two steps forward and one step backward with SE, every single time.

[Djeserit]

Because players ask for this http://zam.zamimg.com/images/9/d/9d1...97d329a46a.gif

Expansion endgame, not to be expected in vanilla. Guess what endgame in vanilla XI was?

NQ Kings, 1 fights every 72 hours with a 5% (or less) drop rate. ...In other words, FATEs that only 18 people got to fight with a 3 day respawn.

Funny thing is, we're 2 major updates in, that zone was in an expansion, yes, but isn't it the FFXIV faithful who say MMO developers shouldn't be designing like it's 2003 still? That "times changed"? What he clearly meant was something more "open" rather than tucked away in an instance which everytime they seem to update the instance structure it gets more worse and worse.

Yeah, they shouldn't be designing like its 2003 any more. I agree with that. But the fact is development takes time, and newer games have more complexity, and so logically they should take more time to develop. We will get more meaningful open world endgame, but it's not gonna happen in the first 7 months after launch.

Dungeons lag got worse cause they pushed the position update frequency to every dungeon instead of just endgame, obviously it is too much at the moment because people are spamming dungeons non stop to cap in a 4 day week.

[Tupsi]

Expansion endgame, not to be expected in vanilla. Guess what endgame in vanilla XI was?

Funny thing is, we're 2 major updates in, that zone was in an expansion, yes, but isn't it the FFXIV faithful who say MMO developers shouldn't be designing like it's 2003 still? That "times changed"? What he clearly meant was something more "open" rather than tucked away in an instance which everytime they seem to update the instance structure it gets more worse and worse.

[Doo]

Expansion endgame, not to be expected in vanilla. Guess what endgame in vanilla XI was?

NQ Kings, 1 fights every 72 hours with a 5% (or less) drop rate. ...In other words, FATEs that only 18 people got to fight with a 3 day respawn.

Huh? The point was no one asked for reused low level tier fate spams as end game content. Such as no one asked for Kings camping. This so called "You gais asked for it! now you whining about it!" is just a weak defense. The forum which told everyone their opinion didn't matter because they are the "vocal minority" now blaming bad content on them is absurd.

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There's plenty of threads on this forum that goes into detail on what players wanted. Everyone on the forum was practically in agreement that Fates suck.

[Djeserit]

Huh? The point was no one asked for reused low level tier fate spams as end game content. Such as no one asked for Kings camping. This so called "You gais asked for it! now you whining about it!" is just a weak defense. The forum which told everyone their opinion didn't matter because they are the "vocal minority" now blaming bad content on them is absurd.

And my point was, if you complain about something, but don't give specific examples of what you want instead, then you get what they give you. Too many people on these forums just moan about something they don't like without giving alternatives that would be more pleasing to them. That is not good feedback, and doesn't help the developers.

If you just say "we want more open world content" then they can do exactly what they did, give you something grindy in the open world to get you out of the cities.

If you say "We want open world content akin to XI's sky, with poppable NMs that drop potential BiS gear, but with low drop rate or guaranteed progression" then they have a much better idea of what to give you, and can start working on it. Either way, 2.2 content was likely planned before launch, so all of our complaints since have been for content we haven't even seen teasers of yet.

[Ashgarth]

NOTE: just because you like it & your friends do, doesn't mean the whole of the playerbase does... an argument that people enjoy it & it won't affect the # of subscribers is naïve at best. Sorry, that is no argument. Glad you're sticking around though! I personally enjoy 2.2 minus a few gripes here or there.

just because you and your friends dont like it, doesn't mean the whole of the playerbase doesn't...

[Noshpan]

It wouldn't matter how developers implemented the atma drops, people would complain.

Hypothetically, let's say that people had to grind dungeons for those atma drops, people would complain that they would have to do just that.

However, since it is the minority that even looks at the forums (much acknowledges that the forums even exists), the majority of the playerbase just continues on and adapt. Quietly. Nobody on these forums speaks for the majority. We can only speak for ourselves.

[Huntington]

There are more people playing right now on my server Shiva currently, these are the people that probably come back when new content gets added. That's added a lot of people to the game already, I've even been unable to zone into Mor Dhona a few times it was so heavily congested. As of now, the major problems I've seen with 2.2 is the egregious lag in 4 man parties, and the "infinite" loading screens that I've gotten when doing dungeon runs and teleporting around.

The beast tribe quests and new Coil, when I haven't even gotten to doing beyond T3 in the first set, will give me plenty to do in my month or two of subscriptions for awhile. Plus leveling other classes and getting them appropriately geared is always still available, I'd say it's a bit of a stretch to say it's going to die out already.

[Seraphita]

I can't even play anything instanced in this game because the server lag is so bad... 2 back to back groups that couldn't even beat WP thanks to the constantly lag/DC's.
Fix this crap SE...
I'm already bored with this game and looking for a reason to unsub.

[Zenaku]

2.2 is made for hardcore 2.3 would release more crystal tower and i bet more casual stuff for people to do.