SE - Default 3rd Retainer before Fees

[Sunarie]

The real issue is not wanting to pay. Sorry bud, Just calling it as I see it.

You're right.. but as I have stated a number of times.. people play sub games to avoid being nickel and dimed for stuff like bag space, and to avoid players getting an advantage over others just because they have more money they are willing to throw at a game. People pointing out how you can already pay for more characters do have a point, but this is where smart marketing and previous MMO sub trends kinda come in. Instead of seeing it as paying more for characters, you get to pay less if you only want to play one. If the standard, 1 character fee was $15.00 (US), and then the 8 character version was $17, people would probably pitch a fit.

That aside, they have made it incredibly tedious and difficult to be able to trade between characters. They also made leveling the characters enough to get access to the two retainers take a good deal more time than any other MMOs where mules typically come into play. The paranoid part of me who highly dislikes F2P models wonders if that wasn't intentionally done so that space was more limited (since they were always planning the retainer as a shop item) to prevent people from having mule characters and provide incentive to get the retainers. Doesn't really matter, and the extra space isn't really what I'm bugged about.. it's more the ventures.

[KupoNuts]

The key word here is "NEED".

You do not NEED extra space, you WANT extra space. If each of your existing retainers is packed to the gills then it is time to clean house.

If SE released a free third retainer and you filled it up as well would you suddenly NEED a fourth? A fifth? A sixth?

Gosh can you imagine? People actually need more inventory space? No way, how could they possibly! I totally feel you bro.

/sarcasm off

[Ricky]

Just buy the retainer if you need it. It's as simple as that. We already get TWO for free.

Free? Wait a minute, why am I paying $10/month then? If this is a microtransaction free game then I am spending $10 monthly for nothing!

[Shneibel]

How kind of them!

sarcasm but I still like to add. The retainer inventory had been expand twice already

1.Back in 1.0 player have only 1 retainer, but later in 1.0 SE allow player to hire 2nd retainer
2. As other ppl mention, the expand at 2.0

So asking for 3rd retainer for free is abit greedy

It's greedy to ask for storage space in subscription based game? You muppets make me laugh.

yeah....quote the last line and laugh

[KupoNuts]

So asking for 3rd retainer for free is abit greedy

It's greedy to ask for storage space in subscription based game? You muppets make me laugh.

[TomTom1968]

People playing one class and maybe 1-2 DOH/DOL and players who are not interested in collecting won't probably understand this. The Game mechanics just do not fit to the options FF14ARR provides us with. SE made it very easy to use a plethora of jobs on the same character. But they did not consider the need of people who actually use several jobs. I see several elements why people (including myself) have run out of space:

- Armoury doesn't provide enough slots. DL gear could easily be used for two jobs, Myth gear is for a single job so for example for a BLM and a Conjuror, you need the equip 2 times although they share stats.

- Keeping items you need regulalarly for your crafts suck up enourmous space in your inventory and your retainers. I have all crafters and do not keep everything but I am constantly switching things over or get rid of items just to gather them again in the next week. And I truly hate it!

- Collectors have a very hard time in FF14. First there is the sub-optimal way SE delievers seasonal gear to us. Patch, keep most of the items until the next patch where they can finally be stored at the Inn. But it is not only vanity stuff. Some people like to collect all the different gear the Game has to offer, like for example all earrings you can get from Ultima or the Ex fights, all Moogle weapons etc. Might not make sense for most players but collectors are out there so why not show a tad more love for them?

I don't care that we have more space now than people had in 1.0. When this Game was released, the storage space was subpar already from the beginning. People have asked for more storage options and half a year later they come out with a monthly paid option. And you wonder why people do not like it thoroughly? Paying for stuff like that would be fine for a free to play Game. But for a subscription based Game? Not seeing it as really appropriate. Don't get me wrong. I WILL use their "service" because I live with congested retainers since months but it really gives me a bad smell in my mouth having to do it for a monthly fee.

[Duuude007]

id rather they just make purchaseable retainers shared across all characters in the account. or an option to make it either shared or static.

No new freebies, we already have tons of free space.

[Felis]

Free? Wait a minute, why am I paying $10/month then? If this is a microtransaction free game then I am spending $10 monthly for nothing!

To have access to the game servers.

- Armoury doesn't provide enough slots. DL gear could easily be used for two jobs, Myth gear is for a single job so for example for a BLM and a Conjuror, you need the equip 2 times although they share stats.

Just throw them away once you have better equip that can wear more than 1 class/job (like crafted ilevel 90 gear) and don't want it for vanity. If you want it later again, they are still obtainable.

Another thing from the forum archives

I receive a lot of suggestions to increase inventory space or make inventory unlimited, but it is impossible to possess every single item (which is increasing constantly through updates) on a single character. Please understand that this is physically impossible, because there is a cost related limit to server storage (the location where everybody’s character data is stored). In order to increase stored data, (tens of thousands of characters x numbers of items x bytes of each item) there is no other option but to increase hard drive size. Basically, charging fees for additional storage options exists to combat this issue.

Even for stand-alone package games, the size of the save data is greatly affected by the number of items, so the numbers of items and the size of each item are determined by available server space.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post307720
Even if it was more about the recipe revamps.

[Asunai]

I'm for a 3rd retainer. 1 for each city is preferable. Also, having extra characters on account doesn't do anything for you - as you can't link the characters together. You can't add them to friends list, you can't send them mail, they are completely cut off from any support from your main character.

I already pay a sub to pay this game...My whole issue with them charging for an extra retainer is that I do not feel like I should be gimp or disadvantaged over someone who has a lot of spare money to toss out. (I'm fairly poor, struggle to make ends meet, this is my only form of entertainment. Believe it or not $2 extra is something I seriously have to think about). Not only will these people get extra storage space for their crafted materials - they'll be able to send a 3rd one on ventures & also put another 20 items on the market place. That's advantageous if you ask me.

It's a step towards Pay 2 Win and in my opinion Pay 2 Win shouldn't be allowed in a Pay-to-play game. T he reason I pay to play is to get away from P2W scenarios. That's part of the reason I quit wow. I had played that game for 7 years and it sucked to see people running around in the game with awesome items that I couldn't even dream of obtaining because I didn't have the extra $$ to shell out to the developers.

[Versiroth]

So asking for 3rd retainer for free is abit greedy

Asking for a player paying a monthly sub to pay more real money for bag space is what's greedy. Heck, F2P games even do it better than SE. SWTOR charges you for extra bag space (it's F2P), but it's a one time fee. And even then, you can buy the unlock on the Galactic Market, so technically, you don't have to spend any real money at all if you don't want to. And yet SE expects people to pay $4 extra each month in order to be able to play the game to the fullest?

Also, paying for more characters isn't the same at all because of the way they structured it. Paying for 8 only costs you what a normal subbed MMO would cost. So, that price is expected. Paying for only one character at a cheaper rate ends up being a nice bonus. This retainer thing on the other hand, is pure BS. People defending it are out of their minds.