SE - Default 3rd Retainer before Fees

[Gextiv]

And yet people are falling all over themselves for a 1 time use potion to be added to the mogstation for real money.



Yes, but where does it say it will offer GAME BREAKING AND CHANGING items? You know, to completely KILL THE BALANCE of the game if you don't buy additional retainers?

And what if it is "game breaking"?

I propose they make the output of 2 retainers doing VENTURE--no matter how many retainers a player may have-- be the DEFAULT retainer's output for all players, since everyone has 2 retainers by default. That way, no matter how "game breaking" venturing might be, all players will at least be on even footing.

[Jinko]

Are you seriously suggesting that STORAGE SPACE should be veteran award? Wow.

In other games crafters would just sell bigger bags which players would equip, but in this game you can't use bags, probably due to some stupid excuses such as "limited server capacity forwhich we need more than your subscription money to maintain".

In other games you don't start off with 850 slots, my god people in here don't have the brains they were born with.

So you basically assumed that everyone who just purchased the game instantly finds a FC and gets rights to chest access?

850 is the amount of inventory you have when adding your personal inventory, 2 retainers (plus retainers selling space) and your armoury together. (thats not even taking into account your armoire at the Inn)

EDIT:- ooppss its 815.

[KupoNuts]

In other games you don't start off with 850 slots, my god people in here don't have the brains they were born with.

So you basically assumed that everyone who just purchased the game instantly finds a FC and gets rights to chest access?

[Sunarie]

In other games you don't start off with 850 slots, my god people in here don't have the brains they were born with.

You're correct. In other games $15 gets you 8-10 characters on a server, which can all get to a bank with minimal effort (certainly without running any dungeons, many without even doing any quests, just running to the main city).. and which you can easily send items between via in-game mail.

I also fail to see how the number of slots you are given in games has anything to do with making you purchase extra in this game with real life cash as opposed to spending in game currency to upgrade it. Or how it has anything to do with being able to purchase things that increase your chances of getting rare items (how much they're worth we don't know yet) over people just paying a normal sub fee. Both those things (both buying extra inventory space with real cash, and being able to purchase something that gives an advantage to you with real cash) are very common in F2P things and don't really exist in sub ones.

[ReplicaX]

SE isn't doing what's considered normal for a sub based game.

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There were plenty of things that weren't normal and now are an Industry Standard due to other P2P MMOs and players years ago.

I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion here. This is my own and if the game goes true PTW with P2P, my 11 years with SE on P2P services will most likely stop.

I'm not gonna judge the Venture system until I try it myself on my 2 retainers and also give SE a little time to iron out restrictions in the system once implemented. I don't require optional retainers even with all the crafting and gathering I do currently as I take some of my time to manage and prioritize it.

[Sunarie]

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There were plenty of things that weren't normal and now are an Industry Standard due to other P2P MMOs and players years ago.

I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion here. This is my own and if the game goes true PTW with P2P, my 11 years with SE on P2P services will most likely stop.

Right, and if I played WoW I'd be against that too. In fact, from the people I know that do play WoW, I haven't heard a single person in favor of the Character Boost thing. I also don't think the retainers are P2W, but I'm not gonna pretend they don't offer an advantage, or tell people they should be okay with them offering an advantage. Nor am I gonna say people wanting more space without shelling over additional cash are being entitled or whining. Still stands that people usually go P2P to avoid the whole buying advantages deal, so this is going to anger them, and understandably so. Yet people act like they're so surprised and people have no right to be upset.

Yeah people blow it out of proportion (it's definitely not P2W), yes SE is going to make money however they want, or in ways they think is best (I hardly think SE is out to look out for the players beyond just trying to make sure players stay so they can get more money.. they are hardly doing things out of the kindness of their hearts).. people don't have to be happy with what they choose. It also doesn't mean that people need to be happy and just take whatever SE throws at them because SE is just trying to make money.

Now, in that same breath, throwing a huff on the forums likely isn't going to make anything changed. Kinda like RMT.. no one seems to like it, but it's always around cause there are strangely always customers.

[NoctisUmbra]

I have all battle jobs leveled.
I have most crafting jobs leveled.
I am still leveling some crafting and gathering jobs.
I have a bunch of Legacy gear that cannot be obtained anymore that I am hoarding.
I have a bunch of useless gear I keep either for vanity or ... honestly I don't even know.
I have a bunch of mats that I still believe I'm going to use one day.
I have a bunch of materia I still believe i'm going to meld into something one day.


I still don't feel like I'll need a 3rd retainer any time soon. If you do, hoard less.



All games come with limitations. Inventory management is one of said limitations. You are not entitled to as much inventory as you believe you personally need just because you pay a sub or because you think having one retainer for each city state makes even a modicum of sense (The Twelve are big in Eorzea, let's get 12 retainers!).

Want another retainer? Pay for it. It is an advantage.

An extra retainer means:

More storage - more hoarding less farming.
Higher cap on concurrent sales.
More concurrent ventures.

[CrowBlader]

quick someone call SE CS!!! the players want more handouts!!! we totally don't got alot alrdy or anything!!! 'murica

[ReplicaX]

Now, in that same breath, throwing a huff on the forums likely isn't going to make anything changed. Kinda like RMT.. no one seems to like it, but it's always around cause there are strangely always customers.

Just like you don't see posts about FCs and LSs selling content clears. Although they will gladly risk taking gil from anyone. Technically some of that is just illegal PTW if its RMT gil.

I'm just waiting to see where SE goes with this service and how they respond if it is abused as some ppl will try to exploit it.

[Felis]

You make a good point. They should probably charge us for the new Coil turns as well, I mean, we already have 5 of them - right?

So long you don't get loot for paid coil runs.

Assume two separate players, extra retainers that can sell and constant demand for the stuff they sell. One player with with two retainers, one with 3 (or more). Both players want to get this "X-item(s)" that will be crucial(but not mandatory) for end-game raiding progression. However, its costs, material wise and tips are up above the sky. They need to make money to acquire it. Both start selling the same stuff, player two however has a wider market, and more lee-way to undercut people. Player two also has extra retainers for venturing that will gain extra gil here and there. Player two will have more monopoly on the market compared to player one.

Player two gets the money s/he needed, while player one is still playing and selling.

You forgot to mention the third player, who don't paid for extra retainers but have a second character with gatherer 50. He can farm treasure maps twice each day, can sell them twice each day, earn twice as much money than the other players. And then ask a friend or LS comrade to help to trade the gil to his main character.
Extra retainers only don't make you automatic richer than other with no extra retainers.