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  1. #211
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    I'm on the fence on all of this. I have downed all the content in game already.

    I kinda see the OP's argument on keeping difficulty the same while also understanding the need to open up the content to newer players.

    Their is a sense of accomplishment that comes with downing un-nerfed content but on the same token, the persons who have not done it, why would they care otherwise? They have not done the content anyway so to them everything would be new.

    Think about it this way, when OoBG had first T5 video, people didn't rise to the challenge to just grind out all the same the way they did. Nope, majority of people watched their video and guess what, many people now mimic their T5 ritual while there's several other methods.

    I guess what im trying to say is, pre-nerfed content is only an issue for the people who feel accomplishment for tackling said pre-nerfed content with no assistance, otherwise no one should watch videos of successful attempts because in essence that would also be making the game easier.

    Do I think some extremes should remain unchanged? Yes, but with some restraint.

    I personally think Titan Extreme is one of the best designed fights, absent of the lag some players experience, because honestly it's some of the most advanced content at current you can get given the play style of our current battle system. In such, I'd hate to see it nerfed in essence, but an echo buff, may not be so bad. Its rare that people fail Titan Ex, because they couldn't do enough damage (with everyone up/no weakness) but more because of failure at dodging so what would, an echo buff do for them if they still can't dodge lol

    Same thing with Ifrit EX, if tanks don't swap properly if people aren't dodging correctly or healers are flubbing on healing or searing wind, again an echo buff probably wouldn't add too much to the mix and if nails are actually breaking quicker due to higher DPS, this actually may make it more difficult.

    Garuda EX stands to be the only primal that can actually be made easier via echo buff, because you essentially make it easier to tank with more HP and go through rotations faster with higher DPS overall.

    Other things like ADS, High Voltage being esuna-able, I actually agree with. It makes no sense to reflect the urgency of a High Voltage being silenced, but give no option to recover properly if it does happen. In essence that's forcing a party setup to include two silencing classes.

    Quote Originally Posted by ValkyrieL View Post
    I don't know why the instances are been nerf when they will already get a "nerf" via overgear with uncap myth and the new gear.
    This is also really damn true too.
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    Last edited by Havenchild; 03-24-2014 at 07:09 PM.

  2. #212
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuponutz View Post

    By nerfing content you are basically telling everyone who worked hard for their gear that their time was wasted. Why should we push to beat Leviathan? In 3 months you're just going to make it easier right? Wait till then, do it the easy way and get the same rewards as people who worked really hard to beat it.

    Should everyone be entitled to the same rewards regardless of skill level or time invested? I really don't think so.
    I have a little question for you and people who liked your post:
    Have you, or your FC ever sold an HM/Ex win?
    I bet for most the answer is yes.

    your answer is "you really dont care if they pay you for it!!"

    your actual issue is not that people can get to new content / have old done but that you can't make profit for it!!
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    Should everyone be entitled to the same rewards regardless of skill level or time invested? I really don't think so.
    Yes they should because all these old rewards will be irrelevant with the new content.
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  4. #214
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    This idea that beating content in a friggin' video game is an "accomplishment" of any significant meaning is pretty sad. It's a video game. It's a time waster by definition. Nothing you do in it is of any actual significance. And to be a successful time waster SE needs to provide content. MMOs always make higher level content easier when they introduce newer higher level content to open that content to those who hadn't the time nor inclination to beat it yet. You have to keep the whole community progressing.
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  5. #215
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    OP, just look at it this way.

    You beat it before Nerf, and it will be recorded in history.

    The reward for working toward something and given things to you.


    Tho i wish the icon for weapon/armor obtained before nerf would look different form faceroll version.
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    Goodbye, Final Fantasy...

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    Why do people feel their time was wasted? They have had their wins and weapons and armors for ages already and will continue to next content ASAP and yet again be ahead of the people who are still tackling older content.

    It's like... imagine if someone gave you a really spiffy bike while your buddy has no bike. For 4 months you will ride the bike every day while your buddy has to walk. One day, someone gives your buddy a bike too. But on the same day, he would also give you an awesome car. Would you now be mad your buddy has a bike and feel like the 4 months you didn't have to walk was useless?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kat_Manx View Post
    Why do people feel their time was wasted? They have had their wins and weapons and armors for ages already and will continue to next content ASAP and yet again be ahead of the people who are still tackling older content.

    It's like... imagine if someone gave you a really spiffy bike while your buddy has no bike. For 4 months you will ride the bike every day while your buddy has to walk. One day, someone gives your buddy a bike too. But on the same day, he would also give you an awesome car. Would you now be mad your buddy has a bike and feel like the 4 months you didn't have to walk was useless?
    ^ This x 10.000.000.000.000.000

    But i guess is more important "to be the very best": Oh, you want to get this shiny item too, even if is outdated? Na, you suck, is not for you.
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    I want bumpers on the Titan arena so people won't fall off
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    Quote Originally Posted by Balfreid View Post
    Old content gets nerfed, new content gets released. Welcome to the current cycle of MMORPGs. This has been happening for years.
    This right here. It's going to continue to happen this way too. That's how they keep casual players. You'll get the new drops from t9 and they won't have them, you can feel like you have accomplished something until the next update. I 100% agree with casual content and hardcore content so that they can keep both player bases happy, but I think we'll always see things skewed towards casual content so they can retain a robust playerbase. I am hoping there is enough content to keep me logging in, honestly I log in on mondays now and that's pretty much it for the rest of the week. I'm excited for stuff like gardening, stuff that might have rng possibility to give you something rare, I hope it's not a total cake walk. If only they'd add in open world NM's, I wouldn't be logging off to play my 3ds or my ps4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kat_Manx View Post
    Would you now be mad your buddy has a bike and feel like the 4 months you didn't have to walk was useless?
    Quote Originally Posted by Merle View Post
    ^ This x 10.000.000.000.000.000

    But i guess is more important "to be the very best": Oh, you want to get this shiny item too, even if is outdated? Na, you suck, is not for you.

    Except that, now this buddy still has not learned how to ride the bicycle, have training wheels on and will expect future things to handed down to him or come with training wheels..
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