I hate the idea of Echo Buff. It should be part of some easy server not whole game.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

People speaks of turn it on/off. But when you do it, it is just for yourself or the whole party?

Cause, if im with the buff turned off, but the other 7 players are running it on, content still gets dumbeddown. And is sad, cause i don`t like to race content, im fine and happy being in T4 for like 3 weeks already, i just started coil like 1 and half month ago. Now, it looks like i have to race against the updates so i dont get catched by the echo, cause even if i choose not to use it, everyone else, with the mentality of "path of less resistance" will use it. If anything, we will soon be reading PF like "no echo-kick."

Well, i guess this forces players to group with a-like people even more, so, instead of helping the DF, it just hurts it, because i belive a good chunk of people don`t want to try HM/EX or the first 5 turns of coil with 50%, or 30% or 25% more HP/DMG/Healing buffed partners, which is, not even a buff... Is plain broken. Well, all FF have always had one broken mechanic/character, i guess this is no exception.

[Khronikos]

I also am not sure about this mechanic at all. I hope what we see isn't total easy mode.

[Erepio]

I also am not sure about this mechanic at all. I hope what we see isn't total easy mode.

considering that ppl will be running content in full ilvl90 and prolly ilvl100/105 armor its already easy mode...the echo is there ensure that ppl will clear the content even faster so they can get to the next tier...im pretty sure no1 is gonna run coil for gear when u can just rolfstomp stuff like WP and AK in less time, only thing ppl will do is t5 for the weap

[kukurumei]

It's the path of lesser evil. How many dramas over a simple Titan HM run? How many pay-gil-to-carries are there for extremes?

Newest content will never be echo, so there's no point arguing that. Older-hard content like coil1-5 have a timer on them. 2 weeks for 10%. and then 2 weeks again.

It let's people catch up and equalize the playing field. It also minimizes all forms of elitism, parsing, and pay to wins.

The only one frankly who should be mad about it is the developers since it makes them essentially put out content faster. And that's a win in my books.

[Kirosuu]

if i may ask, arent those so call elitist/hardcore do premade group?why cant you guys agree when recruiting? or you guys just love force your rule when queue with random player?
and you guys should know that casual player never bother with your achivement/gear

considering that ppl will be running content in full ilvl90 and prolly ilvl100/105 armor its already easy mode...the echo is there ensure that ppl will clear the content even faster so they can get to the next tier...im pretty sure no1 is gonna run coil for gear when u can just rolfstomp stuff like WP and AK in less time, only thing ppl will do is t5 for the weap

this also true to those so call want more challenge, get op gear and do low level content, wow such challenge. these hardcore must be proud

[Erepio]

this also true to those so call want more challenge, get op gear and do low level content, wow such challenge. these hardcore must be proud

its not just for 2.2.....even now i dont see ppl doing ultima hm in ilvl61 or titan hm in ilvl58 or chance their gear to ilvl70+relic to do t1 or do t2 noramlly instead of enrage

and yet ppl QQ about the echo buff which u can freaking TURN OFF if u dont want it......and before going "i want to turn it but what about the other 7" how about U start a freaking PF grp thats what is there for

[Shneibel]

More damage = less room for player error because the fight will end before you were given the "usual" amount of time to mess up.

it only apply to a few fight though, fight like Titan, garuda, and ifrit if you deal to much dmg their rotation will skip and for titan it can be scarry. And buff or not ppl still have to dodge & deal with the fight mechanic

[Loony_BoB]

I'm not that bothered about the general echo buff thing, but I will say - and I say this as someone who hasn't bothered touching Coil because I don't like endgame that much - that endgame specialists should still have something to show for themselves. In this case, I think it would be best to give achievements for "Beating ______ without use of the echo."

[KupoNuts]

I think it would be best to give achievements for "Beating ______ without use of the echo."

My thoughts exactly. If Yoshi wants to follow WoW model so much as he stated, then there should be separate achievements for defeating a raid with and without echo, so both groups of players can feel like they accomplished something.

[Emtron]

Jargon

Yeah that logic would apply if this was a competitive sport but honestly who are you competing with the world? or your server or other servers are they aware that its a competition because its news to me. If you like to challenge yourself great just keep that to yourself because the key word is personal. I do hope you realize that what you do in this game as harsh as this may sound the real world could gives a crap about it, its your own little private reward that you and whoever you play with truly care about and only you. Its like giving yourself a trophy and wanting others to acknowledge it as being important.