I hate the idea of Echo Buff. It should be part of some easy server not whole game.

[Tonkra]

The key is to not wipe if you don't want the echo buff. :3 (I didn't know you could turn it off at all.) I'm expecting PF groups to start saying "NO WIPES" in the description. XD

are you serious? it will be more like "5 x Wipe strategy"... hardcore boss? no problem.. lets wipe 5 times in a row..

to win in easy mode..

this system is a whole joke. it dumbs down all bosses. there will be no glorious feel when winning an EX mode anymore..


they want to INCREASE the echo buff effect every week...

[Lyrinn]

I'm ok with the concept of the Echo buff but I think the values need to be re-evaluated. Optional or not, max 25%~50% to HP, damage, and healing is a huge boost. It's not making content easier, it's practically handing out clears.

[Tonkra]

I'm ok with the concept of the Echo buff but I think the values need to be re-evaluated. Optional or not, max 25%~50% to HP, damage, and healing is a huge boost. It's not making content easier, it's practically handing out clears.

and they want to INCREASE these boosts every couple of weeks....

[Nero]

and they want to INCREASE these boosts every couple of weeks....

Every 2 Weeks 10%, to a max of 30%... for HP that means for an average DRG with food 6k+ HP.. Guess what, he will still die to most Mechanics lol.

are you serious? it will be more like "5 x Wipe strategy"... hardcore boss? no problem.. lets wipe 5 times in a row..

to win in easy mode..

this system is a whole joke. it dumbs down all bosses. there will be no glorious feel when winning an EX mode anymore..

Lead me to the part where it says that the Echo Buff will make you invincible, will auto-control your character, make you dodge on auto-pilot and where a full echo-buffs makes landslide/full stack plumes survivable. Let aside all other insta-kill Mechanics here for a second... since it is just that; killing you regardless of Echo.

The System is not really a joke, how people overestimate the echo-buff and misinterpret it as "auto win buff" is an utter joke.

Edit:

Hm.. daily Post Limit?

@ Tonkra

Well since i have reached my daily limit and we obviously talk about 2 different things, i will wait until tomorrow since these threads go way to fast to edit every single comment in. But to squeeze the Number in out of Q&A:

Extreme Modes:

　・The parties HP, damage dealt, and cure potency is increased by 5% per stage and there’s a total of 5 stages (maximum of 25%).

Coil:

-2 weeks after the patch 2.2 release
　　　・The effect will automatically be activated upon entry of the instance.
　　　・Your HP, damage dealt, and cure potency will be increased by 10%.

　　- 4 weeks after the patch 2.2 release
　　　・The effect will automatically be activated upon entry of the instance.
　　　・Your HP, damage dealt, and cure potency will be increased by 15%.

　　- 6 weeks after the patch 2.2 release
　　　・The effect will automatically be activated upon entry of the instance.
　　　・Your HP, damage dealt, and cure potency will be increased by 20%.

　　- 8 weeks after the patch 2.2 release
　　　・The effect will automatically be activated upon entry of the instance.
　　　・Your HP, damage dealt, and cure potency will be increased by 30%.

- Beyond 8 weeks
　　　・While we’ll monitor the situation at that time, we believe 30% should be okay as the maximum amount.

[Lyrinn]

Lead me to the part where it says that the Echo Buff will make you invincible, will auto-control your character, make you dodge on auto-pilot and where a full echo-buffs makes landslide/full stack plumes survivable. Let aside all other insta-kill Mechanics here for a second... since it is just that; killing you regardless of Echo.

The System is not really a joke, how people overestimate the echo-buff and misinterpret it as "auto win buff" is an utter joke.

25% increased max HP on EX, you're looking at ~6k hp healers/DPS and ~10k hp tanks. Echo buff is pretty much a permanent Divine Seal buff. With those levels of hp/healing, you can easily eat a single Weight and just heal through it. Mountain Buster and Tumult will be equally laughable. Heart phase/DPS check? What DPS check? You'd have to be beyond terrible to fail that when everyone has a 25% buff to damage.

[Tonkra]

Every 2 Weeks 10%, to a max of 30%... for HP that means for an average DRG with food 6k+ HP.. Guess what, he will still die to most Mechanics lol.



Lead me to the part where it says that the Echo Buff will make you invincible, will auto-control your character, make you dodge on auto-pilot and where a full echo-buffs makes landslide/full stack plumes survivable. Let aside all other insta-kill Mechanics here for a second... since it is just that; killing you regardless of Echo.

The System is not really a joke, how people overestimate the echo-buff and misinterpret it as "auto win buff" is an utter joke.

ah come on..


so when you die in your ilevel 70 armor and you gain a 50% buff it is going to feel like ilevel 100 or something like it... what if you die 5x times in your ilevel 90 or ilevel 80?... good gameplay and equipment becomes irelevant. the difference between ilevel 70 and ilevel 90 is by far not 50% HP/Damage/healing !.

50% is much a difference..


it isnt like that, that you only have more HP... EVERY party member does 50% more damage, which means the battle itself will last about just half the time of the original battle time. maybe you will be able to skip phases. lets see but 50% seems much far too high..


a boost of maximum 15%+ would be ok.. but 50%? ;XD


White tanooki suit for Final Fantasy 14 ,XD its a joke.. for what am i playing a game? to beat difficult bosses? or using cheats after the first death and getting automatically stronger and stronger?


i was always fine with it if i wasnt able to beat a specific hardcore boss as a casual player. seriously. not everyone must beat every content in this game.

[Musashidon]

50% is on hard modes only 25% max is on extremes. and 10% will be coil (but it will go up weekly)

[SpookyGhost]

Every 2 Weeks 10%, to a max of 30%...

50%????? omg 50% i cant believe this

So are you illiterate orrrrr?

[EinSoFZ]

For some players the Echo Buff really would be/will be game breaking. I guess if you're the the sort of player who dies to predictable mechanics and isn't able to learn boss regimens, then it may not seem so serious, but as someone who doesn't even have to think while clearing coil and the ex primals, the echo buff would make me god-like to the degree of rendering it pointless for me to play.

This isn't to say I think I'm super elite. It only means that I have ease in clearing all content as is. With a buff, i can't imagine the ease. So maybe this boost is for a certain kind of player, in which case I don't mind its existence. But to me it seems a little like SE is saying, "Well if you haven't done it by now, you're clearly too slow to actually do it".

I know some people say you don't have to use it but, players always take the path of least resistance in general. So, that's not saying much.

[Tonkra]

am ii tooo stupid??? yes i think so.

was i talking about coil? (besides it is going to be increased weekly)
i actually tried to discuss it constructive..

... and by the way, when you quote. quote correctly...this is just rude (


but well i quote you in the same manner :P