I hate the idea of Echo Buff. It should be part of some easy server not whole game.

[Alwryn]

I've said this already in another thread, so here's the short version.

Will you still be able to be landslided off the side in titan with echo? Yes.
Will you still have to drop the plume to protect yourself in Garuda Ex? Yes.
Will you still have handle conflags properly in Twintania? Yes.
Will you still be able to be knocked into a wall from divebombs? Yes.

Will you still have to observe the fights mechanics or wipe? Yes.

Echo buff is a nerf, I'm not saying it isn't. However, you will still have to learn the mechanics to win the fight. Once you know the mechanics, you're going to win the fight anyway. All the echo buff does is make it a bit faster, less prone to RNG, and lesser consequences from silly human errors.

[HaiHai]

Go play on a hardcore server then.

I would, if I had the option to do so.

Unfortunately, there are no servers with 'difficulty settings', so players who care about challenge and difficulty in their content/games are forced to see it stripped away from them every patch by SE.

[Gesser]

Achieves for non-Echo completions PLOX

[Woggers]

I don't understand this argument. Even with the buff, players still have to learn the fights so there will be hardly any "carrying" going on. Essentially, they'll just have their iLvls increased.

What don't you understand? Players will purposely wipe to get that echo buff during primals I guarantee. I.E. People are purposely failing so they can end up ignoring mechanics making the fight easier. Hence forth being carried(hand being held) through out the content. So getting a buff so you put out more damage while at the same time having incoming damage to you reduced = easier fights with less rotations = NOT HAVING TO LEARN MECHANICS

[Velox]

Let's be real, how many people choose to do the normal method for turn 2 rather than the enrage method? How likely is it for people not to take the route with the least amount of resistance which by the way people say they choose to do rather than "the archaic way of old school mmorpgs."

My group still does it the original way. Yes, it's not the quickest, but from a moral standpoint we know it makes us better players, so we bite the bullet to put the extra work in. It's mostly just for self-satisfaction. I do agree though, the majority of the playerbase (of MMOs in general) want the safest, easiest route possible to maximize gains while minimizing work.

[ReplicaX]

Yeah im not a fan of this Echo buff thing. Its just going to lead to more poor players expecting to be carried through content even more. Pretty scary. I guess no more DF/PF parties for me. FC/LS/Static onry.

Same can be said since Launch for the opposite.

Stop advertising and selling runs as a service. All you have done is make more poor players since launch.

[Alwryn]

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My group does it the intended way as well, but we do it because we're a bunch of grumpy old men who hate change.


Damn kids, always be walking on my lawn.

[PArcher]

My group still does it the original way. Yes, it's not the quickest,

Its only longer if you wipe. If you don't wipe, its probably a good 5 minutes faster to pass rot

[Radacci]

you need to fight for 3 min before it applies, so you cant just go and wipe, and buff up.
it would take 15min to get full stack, in that time you could already have killed it, normally. so timewise, there's no reason to buff up to ignore mechanics.
So you can't just stand around waiting, like for ADS to enrage.
If you can survive 3min, there's no reason to wipe, to make next attempt a little easier.
On the contrary, HC ppl will get annoyed, and quit, if you wipe on purpose, since ppl here are whining about the buff, to begin with.
HC ppl will get rid of buff, and crappy ppl will still die, regardless, cause of mechanics, so it doesnt make any big difference.

[Velox]

Its only longer if you wipe. If you don't wipe, its probably a good 5 minutes faster to pass rot

Ah, I was referring to just the ADS fight at the end of the turn, but yes you're right. Not having to wait around for the last clock tick + blitzing the mini death stars at the beginning does make the whole turn a LOT faster. ^_^