2.2 Retainers via Microtransactions

[C-croft]

Just curious are you going to buy a retainer? I assume most players will end up feeling like they need to buy it. That's the thing I don't like the most. I don't feel that way about having another account.

If you had asked me this question two months ago I would have said yes. But now that the only two jobs left to level are old and blm... Nah. Plenty of room now that I am shedding gear from my retainers like crazy. Plus if you are smart, you will find it much easier to buy HQ leve items to plvl your crafts from the market. The money I make from leves and myth farm goes into the market for this purpose.

[Susanoh]

They are selling CONVENIENCE. NOT pay to win. I don't agree with it either and I'm sorry but you guys make such bulls**t reasons to be against this.

Convenience has been sold by free to play games for a good while now in order to make money. It's part of the business model. They allow you to log in for free, they often allow you full access to all content in the game for free, but they make their money from things like vanity, quality of life upgrades, or time savers. More inventory slots is a pretty common cash shop item in these games.

If SE is going to start selling "convenience" in a cash shop, and they're still going to charge a minimum of $120 (and that's from legacy players, for everyone else it would be more) if you want to be able to even log in whenever you want for one year, it starts to look like a pretty low value overall. Paying a continuous subscription vs. free to play microtransactions is debatable, but continuous subscription and free to play style microtransactions is about as good as it gets for businesses but the worst combination for value for the consumer.

[C-croft]

Convenience has been sold by free to play games for a good while now in order to make money. It's part of the business model. They allow you to log in for free, they often allow you full access to all content in the game for free, but they make their money from things like vanity, quality of life upgrades, or time savers. More inventory slots is a pretty common cash shop item in these games.If SE is going to start selling "convenience" in a cash shop, and they're still going to charge a minimum of $120 (and that's from legacy players, for everyone else it would be more) if you want to be able to even log in whenever you want for one year, it starts to look like a pretty low value overall. Paying a continuous subscription vs. free to play microtransactions is debatable, but continuous subscription and free to play style microtransactions is about as good as it gets for businesses but the worst combination for value for the consumer.

You obviously haven't played ffxi where you could add alts to your account for a dollar a month. Or something like that. Its been many years since I played ffxi. But I do know ffxi is still up and running and has been the best cash cow for them at this point.

[Gextiv]

We meet again.. "pay to win"


But this time.. my wallet is at its prime!

[Susanoh]

You obviously haven't played ffxi where you could add alts to your account for a dollar a month. Or something like that. Its been many years since I played ffxi. But I do know ffxi is still up and running and has been the best cash cow for them at this point.

I've played FFXI since before NA PS2 release, but I will agree that FFXI is not completely innocent either.

[Jess72]

You had to pay extra for more characters in ffxi... how is this a problem?

MMO's have been very generous, remember that crazy recession? MMO's didn't bump their prices.. but people don't notice these things eh?

[Xellos2099]

Just curious are you going to buy a retainer? I assume most players will end up feeling like they need to buy it. That's the thing I don't like the most. I don't feel that way about having another account.

Undecided, if i need it i will buy it. Do I prefer it free, sure. But if i am given a choice of either no more retainer or pay a buck more for 1 and i need it, sure i will pay a buck. Fact of life, SE is not doing too hot recent beside ARR, if paying a bit more is going to help the company stay afloat and the fee is reasonable and not pissing me off, i will do it.

[Seif]

I'd actually prefer the option that lets me unlock these features in-game via a quest-line, drop, craft, or currency gate. For a sub based game, the options for stuff like this should never be, "Real cash or nothing."

This. And we have paid for this product development that they are selling us.

Also to some of us this IS 100% p2w solution. I for one am using 100% capacity of the mb at all times. To some players playing the economy = playing the game.

It's completely unacceptable no matter how you look at it.

What's next? Leve refresh boosters and weekly ct limit lifting items?
All of this is stuff that is taken from the pockets of paying customers. Meaning we're all being robbed. The fact that it's "micro robbery" dosen't change the fact that it's still teft.

From marketing perspective they're completely tarnishing their reputation for mere pennies.

[Starlord]

This. And we have paid for this product development that they are selling us.

Also to some of us this IS 100% p2w solution. I for one am using 100% capacity of the mb at all times. To some players playing the economy = playing the game.

It's completely unacceptable no matter how you look at it.

What's next? Leve refresh boosters and weekly ct limit lifting items?
All of this is stuff that is taken from the pockets of paying customers. Meaning we're all being robbed. The fact that it's "micro robbery" dosen't change the fact that it's still teft.

From marketing perspective they're completely tarnishing their reputation for mere pennies.

Some people are looking waaaaaaaaaaay to deep into this for only a simple storage unit :/.

[Xellos2099]

This. And we have paid for this product development that they are selling us.

Also to some of us this IS 100% p2w solution. I for one am using 100% capacity of the mb at all times. To some players playing the economy = playing the game.

It's completely unacceptable no matter how you look at it.



What's next? Leve refresh boosters and weekly ct limit lifting items?
All of this is stuff that is taken from the pockets of paying customers. Meaning we're all being robbed. The fact that it's "micro robbery" dosen't change the fact that it's still teft.

From marketing perspective they're completely tarnishing their reputation for mere pennies.

That is sellling power, which is not the case atm.