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  1. #201
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    Doo's Avatar
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    Buster Posey
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz View Post
    They are selling CONVENIENCE. NOT pay to win.
    Is convenience a form of P2W?


    Quote Originally Posted by MCS View Post
    Most ppl that complains here are poor people and remain poor, you shall. You are poor not because people have advantage, you are poor because you don't use your brain.
    I'm poor because I don't consider what you do to earn money fun.
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    Last edited by Doo; 03-20-2014 at 01:29 PM.

  2. #202
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    Ricad'ganteng Bangetz
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz View Post
    We already have access to 16 retainers per server. You can say, oh but you can't mail to alts! Well guess what, that already has SEVERAL work arounds. A trusted friend, access to a FC chest, dual boxing multiple accounts (which DOUBLES your already large number of retainers!). People are blatantly ignoring that NOTHING is keeping someone from buying and alt account, leveling it enough to get retainers and just mailing stuff between the accounts to have an astounding THIRTY TWO retainers.

    They are selling CONVENIENCE. NOT pay to win. I don't agree with it either and I'm sorry but you guys make such bulls**t reasons to be against this.
    Could you not spill this secret lol, i have been using FC chest to transfer inbetween my alts to sell stuff.

    Most ppl that complains here are poor people and remain poor, you shall. You are poor not because people have advantage, you are poor because you don't use your brain.
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    Last edited by MCS; 03-20-2014 at 01:27 PM.

  3. #203
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    DarkStar's Avatar
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    Kitty Softpaw
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doo View Post
    Is convenience a form of P2W?
    No, it really isn't. I'm honestly amazed people are going this crazy over being able to do the equivalent of buying more bank slots. It's not a massive game-changer, if you actually NEED that much storage space, you're either a packrat or you don't spend nearly as much time sorting, discarding, and selling stored items as you should be.

    Admittedly, I'm going to be purchasing probably one more retainer, but that's mainly just because, well, I'm a bit of a packrat. Particularly when it comes to equipment sets and weapons that I find interesting. However, not everybody is like me, and so they obviously won't be buying the extra retainer slots. If people buy the extra retainers specifically for more Ventures per day, that's fine, they can do that. It's essentially the same as buying Treasure Maps off the market board to get past the restrictions on acquiring maps.
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  4. #204
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    Zumi Kasumi
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    If got Legacy and $7.99 a month you already have access to 8 character per server 16 retainers total as long as you do the quests which take a couple hours. So I don't even see the big deal. If you aren't legacy its still only $14.99 a month for the same deal.
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  5. #205
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkStar View Post
    No, it really isn't. I'm honestly amazed people are going this crazy over being able to do the equivalent of buying more bank slots. It's not a massive game-changer, if you actually NEED that much storage space, you're either a packrat or you don't spend nearly as much time sorting, discarding, and selling stored items as you should be.
    It just seems like players always try to justify something not being p2w if it doesn't directly lead to a kill. Kind of like in DCUO where they sold replay badges which allow players to unlock locked end game raids to earn top of the line loot faster. "You still have to get the kill/run the content". Also they said the same thing about Diablo 3's RMT AH.

    It's not that big of a deal to me retainers (maybe it will be not sure yet), it's more of what it usually leads to. Already seen the consequences of it in DCUO.
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    Last edited by Doo; 03-20-2014 at 01:42 PM.

  6. #206
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doo View Post
    It just seems like players always try to justify something not being p2w if it doesn't directly lead to a kill. Kind of like in DCUO where they sold replay badges which allow players to unlock locked end game raids to earn top of the line loot faster. "You still have to get the kill/run the content". Also they said the same thing about Diablo 3's RMT AH.

    It's not that big of a deal to me retainers, it's more of what it usually leads to. Already seen the consequences of it in DCUO.
    That;s different, replay badge is selling power, so does the Diablo 3 rmah, they are selling power.
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  7. #207
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doo View Post
    It just seems like players always try to justify something not being p2w if it doesn't directly lead to a kill. Kind of like in DCUO where they sold replay badges which allow players to unlock locked end game raids to earn top of the line loot faster. "You still have to get the kill/run the content". Also they said the same thing about Diablo 3's RMT AH.

    It's not that big of a deal to me retainers, it's more of what it usually leads to. Already seen the consequences of it in DCUO.
    Should we not be allowed to have 2 accounts to mail stuff between the 2 and have 32 retainers then? As you say, that's pay to win!
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  8. #208
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    I'm going to have my retainers start a CT static and coil static and P2W.
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  9. #209
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xellos2099 View Post
    That;s different, replay badge is selling power, so does the Diablo 3 rmah, they are selling power.
    Just curious are you going to buy a retainer? I assume most players will end up feeling like they need to buy it. That's the thing I don't like the most. I don't feel that way about having another account.
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    Blissa Whitewolf
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Trust me on this there not going to bring back much.
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