The number of bad players are rising!

[Deviant1]

Why is it that good players are always expected to teach bad players?

Would it really be better if the Bad players taught the others to be worse?

I could just see the titan ex party chat:
Baddie1> So when fighting Titan ex remember to avoid the land slide by running off of the side.
Baddie2> ok but what do we do When titan does Infernal Howl?
Baddie1> run to the tank, duh.
Baddie3> oh and remember that on gaols to stack.
baddie4> brb gotta grab some beer.
you> OMFG! why the #^&%$# is the <insert job of baddie5> not dodging?
baddie5> oh sorry was watching tv
*you rage quit the party*
baddie2> ugh what was his problem, we were all having fun... damn rage quiters!

[Velo_Vandore]

Hi, I'm a bad player.

I'm not going to spoil my first run by reading a guide. I'm not going to skip cut-scenes and watch them in the inn later just so I don't waste your precious time. I'm not going to research my role, or bother to check what is considered a decent ilvl for each piece of content. I'm going to jump right in when the game allows me to and see for myself. I'm going to learn as I go and you're going to have to put up with it. I'll probably want to explore the whole dungeon including the "pointless" area's and you'll have to deal with that too. I don't like using "advanced" methods to clear the dungeon more easily or quickly, because I feel they are often cheap ways to win and don't give the real intended experience (at least for my first run through). I may stop now and then to appreciate the scenery after fights. If my friend is with me or other players will be interested I'll stop to chat and have a laugh, and we'll find it funny when we die. Oh and I may even stop to grab a drink, if the mug runneth dry! You'll have to suck it up and deal with it because I don't care what you want, I'm playing for what I want.

This isn't what I really do because I have some compassion for other players and am not so ignorant to assume that everyone wants the same thing from the run as me. When I'm not willing to budge on the above I wait for hours on end in the party finder or simply don't do the content while I'm waiting for my friends to get on and level up to where I am. When I use duty finder (barely ever because I am stubbourn in how I like to play) I will accept that I need to hurry it up, skip content and at least try to use the proven strategy as advised by other players.

I do sypathise that it's your 50th run and you know the content with your eyes shut. I understand 100% that you wanna clear quick and smooth as possible because you need to get to coil and need them tomes / drops / whatever. I understand how you are frustrated to see players repeating the same stupid mistakes over an over, when you yourself put in much effort to research and understand your role, get geared to a reasonable ilvl, and to have a grasp of the mechanics before the fight using guide (or otherwise you're just plain skilled and don't repeat the same dumb mistakes more than once or twice - that's not sarcastic, I know some guys are just plain good and respect that!). However, while I feel your pain sincerely, what I want from the game is a completely different thing to you. Explain to me why you're more important?

[LexSunfire]

I agree with Deviant1. while running low level roulette, i had a tank tell a arc to put away their pet because it was distracting. luckily i was there to correct the misunderstanding tank. it only takes a few minutes to offer advice. sure, maybe you aren't expected to teach. but a few pointers instead of rage quitting can make this game a whole lot more enjoyable for everyone. if "good" players refuse to teach, there will only ever be more "bad" players.

[Synapse]

Hi, I'm a bad player.

You'll have to suck it up and deal with it because I don't care what you want, I'm playing for what I want.

Explain to me why you're more important?

Just for fun!

Who you be ok if one of the random player in your party wants to afk for 20 mins? i mean he is playing how he wants to play right?


Heh, only difference i see is people draw line at different areas.

Some thinks dungeon that has been out should be speed run'd and get it over with.
Some thinks you need to have high ilv equipment than requirement.
etc etc

The point is compromise from each party member. to find a middle ground. there is no "my way" in a MMO.

[Velo_Vandore]

Just for fun!

Who you be ok if one of the random player in your party wants to afk for 20 mins? i mean he is playing how he wants to play right?

The point is compromise from each party member. to find a middle ground. there is no "my way" in a MMO.

Yep, I agree. I would be annoyed by a player on either extreeme, for being inconsiderate to others. I just hoped to give some perspective to anyone who might think that all bad players are simply looking to be carried through with no effort. It's more likely they don't mind if it's a complete wipe as long as they can have some fun and not be criticised / rushed. But of course if any player uses duty finder they should be considerate of what others want to some extent. That includes both being patient to inexperienced players, while also inexperienced players need to be willing to learn a little and not go completely blind on the duty finder. There are party finder and free companies for that so if you wanna duty finder end game you should understand that people actually will want to win. And If you are going to be very annoyed because a player doesn't want what you want it means you need to stay out of duty finder (like I normally do).

The hardest thing at the moment is CT because random players have to work together.

[Noahlimits]

what I want from the game is a completely different thing to you. Explain to me why you're more important?

It's more the needs of the three other people in your party. If the majority of the party wants to do a run a certain way, that's what the party should do. It's not your wants over one individual person. It's your wants over three other people. The wants of the majority of the party should always take priority.

I also understand that you were exaggerating with your first main paragraph. But just don't be upset when people vote kick you for AFKing to get a drink. While it's within your right to go get a drink or take a break to talk to FCmates, it's within their right to kick someone for being afk/not contributing. Works both ways.

[Bizniztyme]

It's more the needs of the three other people in your party. If the majority of the party wants to do a run a certain way, that's what the party should do. It's not your wants over one individual person. It's your wants over three other people. The wants of the majority of the party should always take priority.

I feel that's what party finder is for. If I DF, i will not expect anyone to play my style regardless if the majority.

[Noahlimits]

I feel that's what party finder is for. If I DF, i will not expect anyone to play my style regardless if the majority.

So you're saying you wouldn't want to kick a healer who didn't want to heal because he didn't feel it's his responsibility? Or who went AFK every 5 minutes to grab a drink? Or a tank who didn't want to tank and instead DPS? Because their playstyle is 'different'?

[Bizniztyme]

So you're saying you wouldn't want to kick a healer who didn't want to heal because he didn't feel it's his responsibility? Or who went AFK every 5 minutes to grab a drink? Or a tank who didn't want to tank and instead DPS? Because their playstyle is 'different'?

Sorry, I thought you were referring to doing a run a certain way, not how people are playing their classes.

[darkstarpoet1]

^

Does this mean Yoshida wants people to struggle so people keep paying to play?

i'm not going to try and read into it at all honestly. all i did was send the person tells after the party disbanded and even offered to go to one of the camps with the striking dummies and help him on his rotations. all it got me was cussed at by the person i offered to help and then around 20 minutes later i was in jail for "harassing another player".

i still don't understand how sending someone a private tell and telling them i'd help them out to improve instead of calling them out in front of the entire group made me the one harassing them.

Well, as a relatively new player, I always try to ask for help whenever I enter an instance for the first time (or am just not sure) and I do read up on instance/trial guides before I do them. The only thing I don't do, is watching video guides, because I honestly don't wanna be spoiled :/
Does that make me a bad player, just because I don't want to spoil my first time experience?

I really love this game and honestly, most parties I've had were really nice so far, but reading this thread kinda makes me afraid of later content :/
I really don't screw up on purpose when I do and I admit it when I think it's my fault (like when I had this huge derp and pressed the wrong hotkey, almost wiping my party >.<). I guess what I wanna say is that there's new players who really do wanna try and get better, we're not all bad, ya know :P

YOU seem like the exact type of new player i'd want in a party of mine. any new player that tells me up front they are new to something and asks for help i will and have went out of my way to help. don't let the higher level content worry you. with the mentality you have of stating it up front i do not see you having any issue in any content. sure there are those random jerks, but i'd rather kick a good playing jerk than a polite new player willing to learn.