The number of bad players are rising!

[AmnesiaHaze]

i see the numbers of bad threads rising because i just saw this one

[Nadrojj]

Nothing can be worse than the shoot to 50 via fate spam types we had about a month after release, these guys didn't even know how to use their abilities.

[Lyrinn]

Nothing can be worse than the shoot to 50 via fate spam types we had about a month after release, these guys didn't even know how to use their abilities.

What abilities? I thought flash was the only skill in the game!

[Naberrie]

Why is it that good players are always expected to teach bad players?

It's called community. If you see an old man burdened with carrying too much and struggling to get through a door do you stop to hold the door open, or tell him next time look up a walk through for the door on YouTube and equip himself better?

[Bizniztyme]

It's called community. If you see an old man burdened with carrying too much and struggling to get through a door do you stop to hold the door open, or tell him next time look up a walk through for the door on YouTube and equip himself better?

LOL, great analogy.

[AlrikRouge]

Compassion isn't conditional; either you want to help someone just because, or you don't. Like I said, some players have it, others don't. I can tell when people aren't putting forth an effort; when they haven't prepared for content; but that doesn't mean I won't say anything to help them. All that does is hurt yourself in the end. If you can explain a fight or recommend food buffs or a different rotation for their class, why wouldn't you? If helping someone improve really ruins your gaming experience, I'm sorry. If I can help someone, I will. I don't expect every other player to act the same way; that is ridiculous.

I had fun with this the other day.

Someone in my LS I joined - with whom I have never played - was asking if it would be good to get his Relic +1 or go for some more armor instead. Found out he was (a) newer to MMOs in general, (b) never played a tank before (it was a PLD he was asking about) and (c) was having issues being booted from dungeons "as a bad tank".

I asked him about aggro issues, and he said that was his main situation. Saw his gear and he was basically an i80 PLD. So, instead of asking him what he did in dungeons, I changed to WHM, partied with him, cued up, and went into WP.

We paired with two i85+ DPS, melee and BLM. I told them right away that this was purely a training run, may take the whole time, and if they aren't willing to wait for it all, they should leave. Both responded they actually had no problem with that and stuck with it.

In the beginning, he could only hold 1 of the first two TBs without me or a DPS pulling one away. So, a little direction, and that wasn't an issue with those 2 mobs.

Well, about 45 minutes later, NO ONE could pull aggro from the PLD even with 7 mobs on him at once. In fact, that was the last training example: "Ok you two DPSes, do whatever you can to pull aggro of any mob off of him. Let's see if he can do it." And me included in that with overhealing and DPSing.

I'm not trying to put myself in the limelight; its a point of some of these so called "bad players" are given some personal direction that doesn't take a lot of time and effort if done right, and as a result, find out that they can actually do their role quite easily. OF COURSE they have to be willing to learn, and also don't treat them like they're ass-hats. If the last two points are in, you may find yourself with another great co-player when you want to team up.

Maybe 45 minutes is an extreme case. Maybe it is too much to ask of people in general. But the way I see it, I took someone who actually started hating tanking in general, felt like he was letting a LOT of people down, and turned him inside out to the point where he's rocking it. Besides, we need more effective tanks who like that role. Now we have at least one more!

TL;DR: Someone as a tank had pretty much given up tanking. 45 minutes later, going through WP, he was turned into a beast. If you train them, they will be awesome. Try it once. You may find it fun.

[Doo]

It's called community. If you see an old man burdened with carrying too much and struggling to get through a door do you stop to hold the door open, or tell him next time look up a walk through for the door on YouTube and equip himself better?

Terrible analogy, but funny.

[Auron_Wolf]

What abilities? I thought flash was the only skill in the game!

"The number of bad threads are rising!" ....

[Yurimi]

Compassion isn't conditional; either you want to help someone just because, or you don't. Like I said, some players have it, others don't. I can tell when people aren't putting forth an effort; when they haven't prepared for content; but that doesn't mean I won't say anything to help them. All that does is hurt yourself in the end. If you can explain a fight or recommend food buffs or a different rotation for their class, why wouldn't you? If helping someone improve really ruins your gaming experience, I'm sorry. If I can help someone, I will. I don't expect every other player to act the same way; that is ridiculous.

Last few times I tried to NICELY offer advice (something like in garuda EX saying "hey if you dont know the pattern I can put a marker on me and you can just follow it to make it easier if you like") I got told to stuff it they pay they will play their way if I dont like it I can piss off. This isnt a one off its quite often too so I just stopped trying its not worth the aggrivation for a casual player like myself who just wanted to have fun.

[Orophin]

Believe it or not I'm a helpful guy with a good reputation. Like 200+ of those commendations thingies.

In spite of its intent, I don't think commendations are a surefire way of measuring how helpful you are. I can queue any 4 man dungeon as a tank, only say hi and bye and simply do my job and get a minimum of 2 commendations. If someone is overly helpful with things then sure, that's what I'm going to use them on, but normally whoever stands out as doing their job well if it's mostly a silent group, that's who's going to get mine.