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    Can anyone help me with this:

    http://i.imgur.com/A5OUqdO.png

    This is from today T1 boss fight.

    DPS Vs EncDPS why are they not equal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoAmon View Post
    Can anyone help me with this:

    http://i.imgur.com/A5OUqdO.png

    This is from today T1 boss fight.

    DPS Vs EncDPS why are they not equal?
    I'm curious about this as well. The DPS column hasn't ever been turned on by default in my ACT. I was looking at the screens and was like "Why isn't that in mine?" Anyway I've always just gone by the EncDPS.
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    Last edited by Ricdeau; 03-18-2014 at 10:59 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricdeau View Post
    I'm curious about this as well. The DPS column hasn't ever been turned on by default in my ACT. I was looking at the screens and was like "Why isn't that there in mine?" Anyway I've always just gone by the EncDPS.
    Yeah I turned it on since I saw players post SS with EncDPS off while DPS is on. Not sure which one is more accurate. There is also a tab called Outgoing Damage (Ref) which include all your buffs added to the EncDPS & DPS, for me it results in 10-12 extra DPS (it is not in the SS I posted).

    Edit:

    Someone on reddit posted this:

    "EncDPS is your dps over the entire encounter (Damage done / length of the encounter). DPS is only while you were active (Damage done / active time).
    Generally they should be the same/similar unless you started much later than other people or died."
    Now the question is which one should we care about? In short EncDPS will be effected by boss mechanics such as conflag and divebombs while DPS won't since it is like a stop watch from what I understand (maybe I'm wrong).
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoAmon View Post
    Yeah I turned it on since I saw players post SS with EncDPS off while DPS is on. Not sure which one is more accurate. There is also a tab called Outgoing Damage (Ref) which include all your buffs added to the EncDPS & DPS, for me it results in 10-12 extra DPS (it is not in the SS I posted).

    Edit:

    Someone on reddit posted this:



    Now the question is which one should we care about?
    I'd say EncDPS easily. When there's times when you can't do anything, but the fight is still going on it should count in my book otherwise it'll skew the readings (more than they can already get).

    Now about the All Outgoing (Ref) I see the same ~10 DPS increase on this parse I just did, but it's showing buffs doing damage. Like all my forms have damage as well as my DPS buff CDs. 2.5k damage that I didn't actually do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricdeau View Post
    I'd say EncDPS easily. When there's times when you can't do anything, but the fight is still going on it should count in my book otherwise it'll skew the readings (more than they can already get).
    Agreed otherwise Death would be a non factor also. In addition I think I figured out what is Outgoing Damage (Ref) doing. It is artificially adding a little bit of damage to buffs even though they do 0 damage so it can record it and archive it correctly.

    Edit: maybe we should use both DPS and EncDPS afterall.
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    Last edited by NeoAmon; 03-18-2014 at 01:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricdeau View Post
    Now about the All Outgoing (Ref) I see the same ~10 DPS increase on this parse I just did, but it's showing buffs doing damage. Like all my forms have damage as well as my DPS buff CDs. 2.5k damage that I didn't actually do.
    Yeah, I noticed that when I imported from archive. Do not use All Outgoing after importing. When I was looking at that after the import it even had the heal from Life Surge listed under All Outgoing as damage.

    Outgoing Damage should list damage output correctly, although I'm not sure about after an import from archive. For a clean parse it should be fine. For an import you need to scrub the detailed parse to make sure it's correct. In some of my recorded parses, my Outgoing Damage had Fire 3, Fire 2, Heavy Shot, Rage of Halone, etc, after importing. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. No fix other than to toss that parse and find another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasymodeX View Post
    Yeah, I noticed that when I imported from archive. Do not use All Outgoing after importing. When I was looking at that after the import it even had the heal from Life Surge listed under All Outgoing as damage.
    ACT has always been very finicky for me. Even sharing exact copies of settings with people, we could get vastly different readings. Sometimes it just breaks itself so bad I just have to reinstall it, however lately its been very stable for me. Like I commented earlier, not sure whats up with your imports, but mine are always right on the money as my fresh parses. Its just one of those weird things I suppose, but I still always check cuz its betrayed me before in the past <.<
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    You should always use EncDPS...DPS is worthless because it doesn't take into account the duration of he encounter. I could sit and do nothing wait until one second before a fight is over, flare, then itll say I did 1k dps when I didn't.

    Your dps worth is always your dmg/length of the fight so EncDPS is the only DPS value that matters. Well and your Outgoing Dmg.
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