Parsers

[LoganBGone]

For other parts of the fight the Ranged players get to sit comfortably away from Twintania doing their rotations while a mnk/drg. Actually have to be up on twintania. Parsers are always going to make ranged look the best in Most fights. Then after fight instead of actually seeing what happens in the fight and saying what needs to be fixed. Parser users say your not good enough because this number says so. If you kill the boss and are good at not getting killed then there is no reason for someone to tell u your not doing well. Basically people who use Parsers ruin the game for a lot more people. If someone uses a parser on you. You can get them banned just report it. Anyone defending Parsers with their life on this forum probably uses one themselves

[KyroeFelix]

Competent party leaders know when to account mechanics for a dip in dps. Come back later with a valid argument.

Also, you can just edit your post to get around the character limit, rather than double posting.

[LoganBGone]

Competent party leaders know when to account mechanics for a dip in dps. Come back later with a valid argument.

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My post has nothing to do with "competent party leaders" it has to do with Parser users. A "competent party leader" does not need to reply on a Parser. IF they do then they are not really competent.

[KyroeFelix]

My post has nothing to do with "competent party leaders" it has to do with Parser users. A "competent party leader" does not need to reply on a Parser. IF they do then they are not really competent.

I know plenty of people who use a parser and understand simple facts about the game that prevent people from performing "max dps". No one is going to hold a dps player responsible for drops in damage during a conflag spike or if they need to kite something like in T1. Like I said, come back with a valid argument.

[Sunarie]

I will say this again.. people who are jerks are jerks with or without the help of a parser. The parser only gives them something additional to be a jerk about. They're still gonna be that person that lashes out at a party after wipe, or insults other dps with no semblance of being constructive. Parsers do not magically turn anyone into a jerk.

There are two sides to this coin. Not everyone only plays MMOs for interactions, as crazy as that sounds, first and foremost. I play for both interaction -and- progression. If enough of my friends stop playing, I will quit an MMO. Same as I will eventually get bored if we aren't making progress end game and quit. It goes both ways. So in static runs, or even party finder runs where people are expected to hold their weight, I don't really think it's fair for the 7 other players in your party if a dps cut off for a dps race is a certain point and you aren't maintaining it because you haven't looked into your cooldowns. I understand that side of the argument just fine. I also understand that people will use a parser to arbitrarily raise dps requirements on fights (the same thing I've seen people do with ilvl) and that some people (who were already jerks) will use it to call out dps in DF runs and the like.

Both sides have valid reasons for wanting or not wanting a parser. I'm in the group that doesn't want to take a useful tool away from everyone just because some might misuse it. I also make sure that I'm running with like-minded individuals when I do things (which I think all people should do). If you need to learn a fight, join a learning group and all that good stuff. We aren't elitist, we're more than happy to help those who have a problem with dps, tanking, or healing get better.. but we certainly want people willing to put the same amount of effort into making sure they're doing well.. if after weeks you're not showing any signs of improvement, and we continually have to repeat things to you.. then you aren't putting in the effort and we will probably find a replacement for you in the progression set. We'll still run lesser content with you, that you can be carried through.

To the whole "you can see it without a parser bit".. I bet you can.. but with Twintania, Titan, Garuda.. I'm more paying attention to the things I'm tanking, the boss's rotation, and the things I'm dodging than I am a specific person to see if maybe the right buffs aren't flashing up on them. It's a bit ridiculous to expect people to pay attention to all a boss's mechanics, plus track 7 other people in the party (in which you'd also have to know the correct rotations for every class by heart to make sure they're doing it right). But somehow expecting a person to do that is fine, but expecting someone to hold their dps for fights that do have dps checks isn't?

I don't hold any delusions SE will officially allow parsers either... this is the company that won't let us send whispers in dungeons cause they're afraid players will get harassed.

[LoganBGone]

The fights you just named are basically all about Boss rotations. There is no need for Parsers in any of those fights. You can tell if people are slacking from how long the fight lasts, to if the boss is adding in more of their rotations because you are taking long and then there is enraged mode boss for when you take really long. When people keep dying its prob because they refuse to learn the boss Rotations. But that is something that can easily be taught. I cant tell if you like parsers or not from what you wrote xD.

P.s Can you tell me how you are able to write so much x.x I feel as if im limited to writing.

[KyroeFelix]

Also, you can just edit your post to get around the character limit..

P.s Can you tell me how you are able to write so much x.x I feel as if im limited to writing.

As quoted above.

[rhemi1]

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You can tell the boss is dying slowly, or mechanics aren't meeting their required checks, but you can't tell who or why. Sure, I could keep my eyes glued on the Dragoon the whole fight to ensure he always have Heavy Thrust up, and watch the Black Mage to ensure they're always doing their correct, optimal rotation, but there are other things to worry about. Especially in Twintania...that is not all 'boss rotations'. If your dps is lacking, you WILL wipe at one of the many dps checks in that fight, be it conflags, snakes, dreadknights or just the plain old enrage. Titan? You won't get heart down, and even if you do, you'll lose to attrition in the end if your dps is too slow. Even something like Turn 4, if your dps is too slow, you'll end up with unrecoverable situations such as the Dreadnoughts eating spiders because they didn't die fast enough.
Parsers are tools, and how they're used depends entirely on the person. They help a lot when trying to determine who needs help and how, but no decent raid leader RELIES on them.

I don't know why people get so hung up on helpful tools, there to aid them. Sure, a jerk can use them to harass, but guess what? Jerks are jerks. Remove the parser, that jerk is still, well, a jerk. He's not going to become a nice person, suddenly.

[Noahlimits]

The fights you just named are basically all about Boss rotations. There is no need for Parsers in any of those fights. You can tell if people are slacking from how long the fight lasts, to if the boss is adding in more of their rotations because you are taking long and then there is enraged mode boss for when you take really long. When people keep dying its prob because they refuse to learn the boss Rotations. But that is something that can easily be taught. I cant tell if you like parsers or not from what you wrote xD.

P.s Can you tell me how you are able to write so much x.x I feel as if im limited to writing.

Editing your post gets past the character limit. Also, how do you determine which party member is holding you back if the fight lasts long? You can't just say "all you dps are lacking" when it could just be 1-2 people holding you back.

[Sunarie]

The fights you just named are basically all about Boss rotations. There is no need for Parsers in any of those fights.

I disagree, there are points in those fights that are definite dps checks, and things a parser can help with that maybe happened too quickly for people to take notice during the fight. It is possible for people to not get Titan's heart down in time, and overall damage look won't tell you heart damage or anything, but there are different ways of breaking down the information. The same goes for Garuda extreme's sisters. If you don't get them down in time they all go to the center and scream. The same is also true for conflag's in Twin, don't get those down fast enough and people die. There are also instances where things die that shouldn't, so knowing who may be stunning, or hitting a mob they shouldn't be is useful. All bosses also have an enrage, as you mentioned.. which shows that dps isnt up to par, but it is entirely possible that someone isn't pulling their weight, or anywhere near it which could make all the difference between passing and failing. I am not talking about instances that are plainly visible, like someone getting killed, I am talking about when a fight seems to be going fine otherwise (but could seem slow), but suddenly you hit an enrage, or the sisters don't die, or conflag blows up.

I like when parsers are used correctly, and I realize there are people who don't use them correctly. I don't like when people use them to berate others, but I don't think they -cause- people to berate others. Just like I don't think having the presence of tank and healing classes in a game causes people to turn into jerks and the like. Just cause some tanks have said "speed run or GTFO" and then griefs when no one will do it doesn't mean we should pull the tanking class from the game. Nor does some people going crazy with insults when a tank forgets to put shield oath up mean we should pull tanks out of the game. Being a jerk is not an okay thing in any circumstance, and jerks do need to go away. I do think people need to stop placing blame on the things people might use to be jerks, and place more blame on the folks being jerks though. I don't approve of taking away useful tools (such as parsers, or whispers in dungeons, or even emotes which can be useful tools for role players) because of the people who are going to abuse them, especially when there is a way to separate yourself from those who would abuse (by making your own group, or joining a group of like-minded people, which is what I do).

As others have mentioned, I get long posts by going back and hitting the edit post button, and then adding to the original. This bypasses the character limit.