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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge_Xero View Post
    Monk enthusiasts here. I'm just curious about a straight DET build using CT body and feet. With the Allagan Weapon it would have +30 DET, -40 Crit, -7 STR and no SS. The extra DET would replace the lost STR and Crit. For AA damage I figure that DET is the 18x more potent than Crit.
    So I'm curious what % of total damage is made up of Auto Attacks and how much an additional 30 DET would give seeing as GL increases AA speed and Damage as well.
    I was going to reply back to you over on the other thread that you brought this up on. AA accounts for ~30% of your total damage. So the 7 Str and fairly heft Crit that you lose to gain a relatively small amount of Det (by comparison to what you lose) would net you a noticeable DPS loss. It will be extremely rare when sacrificing raw Str is going to be the way to go generally speaking.

    Also is the set you are comparing your purposed set against? http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/LRGE

    Edit - Grabbed the wrong link. Had the one for no ACC requirements. Whoops, but it's fixed now.

    Edit again - I see that is not the set you were comparing against. So with the setup you posted on the other thread compared to what I linked above which is what many of us are shooting for now the difference between the two would would be -7 Str, -25 Crit, and +15 Det. I couldn't advise that switch to anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricdeau View Post
    I was going to reply back to you over on the other thread that you brought this up on. AA accounts for ~30% of your total damage. So the 7 Str and fairly heft Crit that you lose to gain a relatively small amount of Det (by comparison to what you lose) would net you a noticeable DPS loss. It will be extremely rare when sacrificing raw Str is going to be the way to go generally speaking.
    It was an older BIS set that I was comparing it to. Looking at the BiS set you posted there it would be a difference of
    -7STR, -1 ACC, -20 CRIT, +15 DET

    In comparison it looks like my set would be a 1% Decrease in WS damage with a 2% increase in AA Damage.

    So it wouldn't really be better or worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge_Xero View Post
    It was an older BIS set that I was comparing it to. Looking at the BiS set you posted there it would be a difference of
    -7STR, -1 ACC, -20 CRIT, +15 DET

    In comparison it looks like my set would be a 1% Decrease in WS damage with a 2% increase in AA Damage.

    So it wouldn't really be better or worse.
    You've changed your set around then from what you posted up on the other thread.

    This is the gear you listed in the other thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by Judge_Xero View Post
    Edited:

    Here's my proposed build
    Allagan Baghnaks
    Allagan Visor
    Fuma Koromo
    Allagan Gauntlets
    Allagan Tassets
    Melee Gaskin
    Fuma Kyahan
    Allagan Choker of Maim
    Allagan Earring of Maim
    Hero Bracelet of Slay
    Ring of Strike
    Ring of Maim
    HQ Buttons in a Blanket
    (Swap Hellish Claws and Allagan Boots when the Allagan weapon isnt available)
    For ease of reference here's a link: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/LY33

    The difference between that and this: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/LRGE

    Is -7 str, -25 crit, +15 det, and +6 acc (not really a factor). So if you are going to keep throwing around these numbers of increase or decrease please at least list your set for reference so we can accurately understand what we are talking about. Also where are you getting your damage values from? Having tested various sets and secondary stats extensively what you produced for a set will give you a DPS decrease. While trading the crit for det would be more than fine losing the 7 str is a very large factor in this. 15 det does not replace 7 str and 25 crit at all under any circumstance in the game right now.
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    Last edited by Ricdeau; 03-14-2014 at 06:02 AM.