Instanced Raids Unveiled!

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

You need skills from other classes to make your main class better. Rank 50 PGL with no skills from other classes is gimp.

But again, I don't need the mid-rank NM gear to make my leveling any easier. I can get 50 more efficiently if I ignore dungeons and spent all my time running leves and grinding mobs. I don't need optimal equipment for that.

IF you want to see the R25 dungeon hold true to it's ranks, what SE needs to do is give good SP in the dungeon. THEN I would be encouraged to run it at r25.

[Rentahamster]

IF you want to see the R25 dungeon hold true to it's ranks, what SE needs to do is give good SP in the dungeon. THEN I would be encouraged to run it at r25.

If they're anything like leves, then dungeons probably would be a decent source of SP. If they weren't, the high rank dungeons would be only available at rank 50, not rank 45. If you can do the end-game dungeons at rank 45, it allows you to gain SP in the process that would go towards your character's level progression.


Anyway, answer this question:

Which course of action is more satisfying to a player who wants to get new dungeon-only gear for his rank 25 Gladiator.


Option 1: Kill everything super fast as a rank 50 Marauder, then "give" (so to speak) the gear to his rank 25 class.

or

Option 2: Complete the dungeon as a rank-appropriate rank 25 Gladiator, and "earn" the gear through hard work.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

If they're anything like leves, then dungeons probably would be a decent source of SP. If they weren't, the high rank dungeons would be only available at rank 50, not rank 45. If you can do the end-game dungeons at rank 45, it allows you to gain SP in the process that would go towards your character's level progression.


Anyway, answer this question:

Which course of action is more satisfying to a player who wants to get new dungeon-only gear for his rank 25 Gladiator.


Option 1: Kill everything super fast as a rank 50 Marauder, then "give" (so to speak) the gear to his rank 25 class.

or

Option 2: Complete the dungeon as a rank-appropriate rank 25 Gladiator, and "earn" the gear through hard work.

First, this question has 2 parts. The first is why would a rank 50 MRD need rank 25 GLD gear? The second part is, it depends on what kind of player you are talking about. In my case, if I just wanted some cool looking gear for the sake of just having it, I would run it as a 50. If I was looking for a challenge and I was bored of the rank 50 dungeon, I would run it as a 25.

You may not feel the same way, but what is the point in penalizing Player A that would have just as much fun running through a dungeon designed for a level 25 on his rank 50?

[Reaux]

First, this question has 2 parts. The first is why would a rank 50 MRD need rank 25 GLD gear? The second part is, it depends on what kind of player you are talking about. In my case, if I just wanted some cool looking gear for the sake of just having it, I would run it as a 50. If I was looking for a challenge and I was bored of the rank 50 dungeon, I would run it as a 25.

You may not feel the same way, but what is the point in penalizing Player A that would have just as much fun running through a dungeon designed for a level 25 on his rank 50?

You're not being penalized. It was designed for 25 for fun/gear. You may not like it but it is their design choice for these dungeons. But, just because you cannot run it on a 50 doesn't mean you are being punished for it. As for a rank 50 MRD doing it as a 25GLD, I think the implication in Renta's post was that you were also leveling GLD as an example and that your rank 25 job you are leveling could use it.

Like keeping old gear from a job you previously leveled or got by other means and using on your lower level job that you are messing around on.

[Rentahamster]

First, this question has 2 parts. The first is why would a rank 50 MRD need rank 25 GLD gear?

The player wants to rank up GLA and needs new gear. He can either enter the dungeon as a rank 25 GLA and play the dungeon as intended,

OR

enter the dungeon as a way higher rank class ( in this case, his main is MRD) and turning the game into easy mode.

Forcing the player to do it as a rank 25 GLA gives the player a greater sense of accomplishment and satisfaction.


You can see exactly how this played out after the introduction of the rank 30 NMs. No one fought them at rank 30, everyone just zerged them at rank 50, and within two weeks, everyone had the NM gear and no one cares about them anymore.

The second part is, it depends on what kind of player you are talking about. In my case, if I just wanted some cool looking gear for the sake of just having it, I would run it as a 50. If I was looking for a challenge and I was bored of the rank 50 dungeon, I would run it as a 25.

No one is going to intentionally run it as a lower class because the rewards are too good.

what is the point in penalizing Player A that would have just as much fun running through a dungeon designed for a level 25 on his rank 50?

Because the rewards for completing the dungeon are too good, and deliberate restrictions are needed to maintain game balance.