[Suggestion] Introduce Raid Leader in-game Parser.

[Sunarie]

People are foolish to think that we *need* an official parser. Let us use what we have now and since we run the parties we go with, we'll just kick those who are not up to par (by leaving ourselves). Let those people never know they aren't doing proper rotations unless they take it upon themselves to get better.

...which will never happen. That's how lazy people are.

While that's all good in theory, it doesn't really work in practice. I can go from group to group and have one person in each group that's really just not pulling their weight at all, maybe even doing less dps than the tank. There's no way currently to know to stay away from that person, and take the people with you who are pulling their weight. A parser isn't a "free pass", and is actually a tool that can help people recognize they aren't pulling their weight, or the reason that dps check is failing is because of one weak link in a group that can be replaced.

That's not to say we "need" it.. we don't technically need anything in the game. It would be an extremely useful tool though. Granted, it's going to be abused by some folks, just like ilvl is currently abused by some folks. If it's not something available outside of the pre-made groups though, that cuts down on the random abuse of Duty Finder groups. Any pre-made groups that would abuse it are likely already "abusing" the ilvl currently in game.

[Exstal]

While that's all good in theory, it doesn't really work in practice. I can go from group to group and have one person in each group that's really just not pulling their weight at all, maybe even doing less dps than the tank. There's no way currently to know to stay away from that person, and take the people with you who are pulling their weight. A parser isn't a "free pass", and is actually a tool that can help people recognize they aren't pulling their weight, or the reason that dps check is failing is because of one weak link in a group that can be replaced.

That's not to say we "need" it.. we don't technically need anything in the game. It would be an extremely useful tool though. Granted, it's going to be abused by some folks, just like ilvl is currently abused by some folks. If it's not something available outside of the pre-made groups though, that cuts down on the random abuse of Duty Finder groups. Any pre-made groups that would abuse it are likely already "abusing" the ilvl currently in game.

I mean let us use LogRep, ACT, FFXIVAPP to find the dead weight and simply eject them from our parties or simply leave, no reason to waste your time carrying people who won't try. Only downside is, if you wanted to help the person who is the weak link you can't because it's harassment.

[Sunarie]

I mean let us use LogRep, ACT, FFXIVAPP to find the dead weight and simply eject them from our parties or simply leave, no reason to waste your time carrying people who won't try. Only downside is, if you wanted to help the person who is the weak link you can't because it's harassment.

And I think what the OP is asking for is it not being a bannable offense to tell someone their dps, which I personally don't have a problem with as long as it's not harassing said person. Saying, "Hey, your dps sucks you @#$%ing suck, you should kill yourself" would definitely be abuse. However saying, "hey, your dps is a bit low, what rotation are you using? Ideally you should be at ### to get past this phase of the fight."

I don't really get your argument now anyway. It's lazy to have an in game parser that's within game rules, but not lazy to use third party software for parsing to do the same thing you would with an in-game parser?

[Exstal]

I don't really get your argument now anyway. It's lazy to have an in game parser that's within game rules, but not lazy to use third party software for parsing to do the same thing you would with an in-game parser?

I was kind of vague of what I was trying to show but I don't think we need an in-game parser. It would certainly be very helpful for calculating tricky classes' dps (looking at you, SMN) but what we have now is definitely good enough. Although, I heard a rumour that SE already has an in-game parser they just have to turn it on (probably based on the PvP one). If that's the case..just flip the on-switch and ban any 3rd party versions.

I don't really like the idea of it being limited to FC raids. That seems a little unnecessary since you can just use the 3rd party ones, which as long as you don't do non-ToS stuffs, you won't get banned or warned. That and FC members generally don't break down into chronic depression when you tell them they need to pick up the slack.