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    KiriA500's Avatar
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    Doctor Beatbox
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    Excalibur
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teeko View Post
    I don't think you understand. Dragoons literally do not have access to some of their combos if they cannot get behind. It isn't just a damage loss, it means their abilities do not do what they would otherwise do.

    Even if you think it isn't an issue, that doesn't mean it is true. Melee performance has been an issue in this game since day 1, so it is natural to be concerned at this point.

    Even the devs know melee are often at a disadvantage.
    Which Dragoon abilities cannot be done if not executed from behind? I'm not talking the higher potency either, I mean which ones cannot be used at all. Looking at my Dragoon list now, I'm not seeing a single one.

    EDIT:
    Ah, Impulse Drive has to proc from behind to initiate the next part of the combo. I never play DRG, so I was unaware of this. None of MNK's combos have this. I see where DRG will have issues with this fight. Hopefully this gets fixed before 2.2.
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    Last edited by KiriA500; 01-29-2014 at 03:58 PM.

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    Rin Tezuka
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    Quote Originally Posted by KiriA500 View Post
    Which Dragoon abilities cannot be done if not executed from behind? I'm not talking the higher potency either, I mean which ones cannot be used at all. Looking at my Dragoon list now, I'm not seeing a single one.
    I know you're being intentionally ignorant, but the entire Impulse Drive combo line simply will not work without a back to attack, meaning a straight 10% damage loss to the DRG (and any BRDs) and the loss of a 500 potency attack.

    If you honestly think making two attacks 100 potency for an entire encounter is anywhere in the realm of "it's still usable guys!" then you must be trolling.
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    Nekodar's Avatar
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    Nyaano Nohea
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    Midgardsormr
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by CHunterX View Post
    I know you're being intentionally ignorant, but the entire Impulse Drive combo line simply will not work without a back to attack, meaning a straight 10% damage loss to the DRG (and any BRDs) and the loss of a 500 potency attack.

    If you honestly think making two attacks 100 potency for an entire encounter is anywhere in the realm of "it's still usable guys!" then you must be trolling.
    Demon Wall can't be attacked from behind either can it?
    Even assuming that no rear attacks will be possible at Levi, you still have flank attacks.
    Since we don't know yet if the head will over over the edge of the platform so you CAN get rear attacks in or if you'll be able to attack Levi's tail instead or basically anything, it's a little early to do more than be concerned... Complaints are for when you have more facts.

    Edit:
    If both tail and head is attackable and tail provides the rear/flank attack positions... wouldn't that be the sort of new mechanic in boss fight that people have been crying for?
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    Last edited by Nekodar; 01-29-2014 at 05:22 PM.

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    Edward Volcdegen
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    Marauder Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by KiriA500 View Post
    Which Dragoon abilities cannot be done if not executed from behind? I'm not talking the higher potency either, I mean which ones cannot be used at all. Looking at my Dragoon list now, I'm not seeing a single one.

    EDIT:
    Ah, Impulse Drive has to proc from behind to initiate the next part of the combo. I never play DRG, so I was unaware of this. None of MNK's combos have this. I see where DRG will have issues with this fight. Hopefully this gets fixed before 2.2.
    Chaos Thrust combo.
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