Lol @ Melee vs Leviathan

[Ferr]

Also, Demon Wall says hi.

Demon Wall can't be attacked from behind either can it?

Demon Wall is just an easy mid-boss from a lvl 50 dungeon with low HP.
Ex Leviathan will probably be the hardest boss sans some new Coil bosses.

Its still to early to tell whats going to happen, but comparing DW with Leviathan is ridiculous.

[Dedayius]

Hey guys, let's give melee all these positional only attacks and have buffs/debuffs that if they drop off, they do terrible damage. Oh let's also make all the fights require lots of movement from melee. Wait, another great idea. Let's make it so you have to attack from the front only and can never use any positional attacks. Brilliant!

It really does feel like the devs who design the fights never talk to the devs who design the classes and that neither group plays the game. It really is unfortunate that melee classes are a liability on a number of fights and in the few fights where they should "shine", a ranged can do nearly as much DPS so why bother?

[Shirai]

Hey guys, let's give melee all these positional only attacks and have buffs/debuffs that if they drop off, they do terrible damage. Oh let's also make all the fights require lots of movement from melee. Wait, another great idea. Let's make it so you have to attack from the front only and can never use any positional attacks. Brilliant!

You say this, but all I am reading is "Let's give melee something to do to make sure their output is maximised and add some obstacles for them to overcome. It would be completely boring to turn these classes into one macro punching machines."



I love it, bring it on!

[SarcasmMisser]

A melee dps is an absolute asset to any group and not a liability, it's not SE's fault that people are terrible at the game.

[omniwaink]

A melee dps is an absolute asset to any group and not a liability, it's not SE's fault that people are terrible at the game.

Lol, no. Melee is bad for every single fight in the game. The best Monk in the world is not > Foe Requiem + Battle Voice on a mediocre Bard.

[Tupsi]

Lol, no. Melee is bad for every single fight in the game. The best Monk in the world is not > Foe Requiem + Battle Voice on a mediocre Bard.

So what you're saying is, further nerf BRD and BLM?

[Shirai]

So what you're saying is, further nerf BRD and BLM?

Naw, he's saying "Please argue with me?"

[omniwaink]

So what you're saying is, further nerf BRD and BLM?

I'm saying SE doesn't care about melee. Every adjustment they have made is just band-aid fixes (flat damage increases without fixing issues of GL stacks, position requirements, forcing melee into PVP queues because 2 melee vs 2 ranged is a loss). In 2.1 they said they would design encounters with melee in mind, yet we have Wicked Whirl on Garuda that has no red zone/cast time. We have bomb formations on Titan that literally force them off of him, as well as issues of melee dropping plumes in flank positions when everyone needs to stack. Then there's Ifrit, where melee make the fight significantly more complicated/problematic because of Searing Wind preventing them from attacking nails, on top of not being able to attack Ifrit during eruptions.

Melee needs a design overhaul, or SE needs to seriously stop boning them with end-game design.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

I'm saying SE doesn't care about melee. Every adjustment they have made is just band-aid fixes (flat damage increases without fixing issues of GL stacks, position requirements, forcing melee into PVP queues because 2 melee vs 2 ranged is a loss). In 2.1 they said they would design encounters with melee in mind, yet we have Wicked Whirl on Garuda that has no red zone/cast time. We have bomb formations on Titan that literally force them off of him, as well as issues of melee dropping plumes in flank positions when everyone needs to stack. Then there's Ifrit, where melee make the fight significantly more complicated/problematic because of Searing Wind preventing them from attacking nails, on top of not being able to attack Ifrit during eruptions.

Melee needs a design overhaul, or SE needs to seriously stop boning them with end-game design.

Funny, I had to do Ifrit for a friend getting their relic a couple days ago, and both I and the other melee + OT had no trouble dealing with Searing Wind while attacking nails, and his eruptions NEVER got close to where we were fighting Ifrit at. It was the ranged and healers who had the most trouble with plumes and eruptions, us melee + OT were perfectly fine the entire fight. I only had to drop DPS during the nail phase and when Ifrit jumped up in order to bullrush across the stage. We still beat him easily.

Sorry you apparently get stuck with horrible melee dps and/or can't play a melee dps worth a crap yourself, but not all melee have the supposed problems you're talking about.

[SarcasmMisser]

Lol, no. Melee is bad for every single fight in the game. The best Monk in the world is not > Foe Requiem + Battle Voice on a mediocre Bard.

I'm sure this is a troll but if not my apologies for the terrible melee you play with who can't outparse ranged on any fight.