Lol @ Melee vs Leviathan

[KiriA500]

Mnks take a major dps loss with no rear attacks. Drgs take a GIANT dps loss with no rear attacks. If they create a major fight where melee cannot rear attack at all then that is a serious issue.

Yet, after all that stuff, they're still able to do damage! Huzzah, Eorzea is saved!

To the bolded part:

lol hi

You would have to halt your DPS to wait for his rear attack to go off if you planned on doing it every time. It's more beneficial to just spam from the side where it's safe.

[Teeko]

Yet, after all that stuff, they're still able to do damage! Huzzah, Eorzea is saved!

I don't think you understand. Dragoons literally do not have access to some of their combos if they cannot get behind. It isn't just a damage loss, it means their abilities do not do what they would otherwise do.

Even if you think it isn't an issue, that doesn't mean it is true. Melee performance has been an issue in this game since day 1, so it is natural to be concerned at this point.

Even the devs know melee are often at a disadvantage.

[KiriA500]

I don't think you understand. Dragoons literally do not have access to some of their combos if they cannot get behind. It isn't just a damage loss, it means their abilities do not do what they would otherwise do.

Even if you think it isn't an issue, that doesn't mean it is true. Melee performance has been an issue in this game since day 1, so it is natural to be concerned at this point.

Even the devs know melee are often at a disadvantage.

Which Dragoon abilities cannot be done if not executed from behind? I'm not talking the higher potency either, I mean which ones cannot be used at all. Looking at my Dragoon list now, I'm not seeing a single one.

EDIT:
Ah, Impulse Drive has to proc from behind to initiate the next part of the combo. I never play DRG, so I was unaware of this. None of MNK's combos have this. I see where DRG will have issues with this fight. Hopefully this gets fixed before 2.2.

[CHunterX]

Which Dragoon abilities cannot be done if not executed from behind? I'm not talking the higher potency either, I mean which ones cannot be used at all. Looking at my Dragoon list now, I'm not seeing a single one.

I know you're being intentionally ignorant, but the entire Impulse Drive combo line simply will not work without a back to attack, meaning a straight 10% damage loss to the DRG (and any BRDs) and the loss of a 500 potency attack.

If you honestly think making two attacks 100 potency for an entire encounter is anywhere in the realm of "it's still usable guys!" then you must be trolling.

[Nekodar]

I know you're being intentionally ignorant, but the entire Impulse Drive combo line simply will not work without a back to attack, meaning a straight 10% damage loss to the DRG (and any BRDs) and the loss of a 500 potency attack.

If you honestly think making two attacks 100 potency for an entire encounter is anywhere in the realm of "it's still usable guys!" then you must be trolling.

Demon Wall can't be attacked from behind either can it?
Even assuming that no rear attacks will be possible at Levi, you still have flank attacks.
Since we don't know yet if the head will over over the edge of the platform so you CAN get rear attacks in or if you'll be able to attack Levi's tail instead or basically anything, it's a little early to do more than be concerned... Complaints are for when you have more facts.

Edit:
If both tail and head is attackable and tail provides the rear/flank attack positions... wouldn't that be the sort of new mechanic in boss fight that people have been crying for?

[Eardstapa]

Which Dragoon abilities cannot be done if not executed from behind? I'm not talking the higher potency either, I mean which ones cannot be used at all. Looking at my Dragoon list now, I'm not seeing a single one.

EDIT:
Ah, Impulse Drive has to proc from behind to initiate the next part of the combo. I never play DRG, so I was unaware of this. None of MNK's combos have this. I see where DRG will have issues with this fight. Hopefully this gets fixed before 2.2.

Chaos Thrust combo.

[Sylve]

Yet, after all that stuff, they're still able to do damage! Huzzah, Eorzea is saved!

To the bolded part:

You would have to halt your DPS to wait for his rear attack to go off if you planned on doing it every time. It's more beneficial to just spam from the side where it's safe.

Wait .. are we playing the same game? I manage to get my True Strikes off just fine through the entire fight. Baiting the tail swipe is part of the fight, and I'll always bait it with the Dragon Kick animation or ToD or Fracture. To date, I have never** mistimed a rear attack in that fight and gotten creamed.

**Except my very first time in there when the explaining dude explained the fight in Spanish then pulled >_>

lol @ thread assuming melees are useless in a fight that hasn't even been released yet.



I'm with this guy. Leviathan's tail will probably be a separate target that ALWAYS gives the rear attack bonus (dragoon OP much?).

Huh? You'll be OP because you can ... Impulse Drive//Disembowel//Chaos Thrust whenever you want? Just like ... Now?

[Yukiko]

With all that kicking and water spitting, I wonder if it isnt best to have 6 aromred OffTanks and 2 Healers?

[Rochetm]

Yet, after all that stuff, they're still able to do damage! Huzzah, Eorzea is saved!

To the bolded part:

You would have to halt your DPS to wait for his rear attack to go off if you planned on doing it every time. It's more beneficial to just spam from the side where it's safe.

Funny... I killed that snake today and it was never impossible for me to hit the rear of the snakes.

DPS loss? maybe
Major? I doubt it. There are still side attacks

Removing the two hardest hitting direct damage abilities from monk would totally not be a major hit to damage...

[Itseotle]

Yet, after all that stuff, they're still able to do damage! Huzzah, Eorzea is saved!

To the bolded part:

You would have to halt your DPS to wait for his rear attack to go off if you planned on doing it every time. It's more beneficial to just spam from the side where it's safe.

If you do that, your bad. A good melee knows how to manage cad... its so easy.... its just like Anantaboga.