Patch 2.2: Let's Copy the Worst Practice of MMOs From the Last 10 Years...

[cotti]

They tied (heh) important plot revelations in Coil, and everyone has the same right to see such content. The drops are part of it.

There'll be better gear to get anyway - and since the point is "the loot", not all of them are BiS, so what's with that nonsense? No one is losing anything, and no one but yourself should care about your personal achievements. Stop trying to justify hindering the gameplay of other people.

[Dalavon]

Snip.

Actually, I haven\\'t missed the mark at all. You\\'re so enveloped into your own concerns that you may or may not have missed the multiple complaints through reddit and these forums. I was simply generalizing the thoughts of many ragers.
To go as far as to knock on my reading comprehension as quick as you did makes me convinced that you\\'re very angry at the moment D:

Anyway, I agree and disagree at this. This Final Fantasy does indeed have story. Yes it pushed very quickly to get to the end game content, but it is there. As for the overall progression status: they will never make everyone happy. Very few people now want sideways progression. They\\'ve been babied by WoW and other mmos in the past. They want everything, and they want it now. And not to mention this game was stated from the start to be casual friendly. That mean the first couple months of new content is for us trail blazers. While the older content can be finally tackled by those whom haven\\'t the time/gear/skill to do it normally. Yes we will feel like all the accomplishments we\\'ve gained will be lost, but there will be new ones to get. Give them a chance. Game hasn\\'t even been out for a year.

[Fendred]

It's a little hard to listen to you rag on someone's lack of knowledge when you didn't see this coming. I mean would you have even been happy if they didn't nerf the dungeon but put it in the duty finder? I mean really, what made you think this game suddenly was going to hark back to a MMO style which is more than a decade old?

Well, her comment was meant as a jab against something she clearly has no experience with, so of course I'm going to be lecturing a bit with my post.

Also, in response to Cotti, I totally agree that people should have access to the main story. However, that has already been accomplished by making the main story something people can almost solo. Any content in an MMORPG is going to have story behind it because it's an RPG. If they made all the content so accessible that everyone can everything in the game, they could never implement anything that has a high difficulty to it. The people who like the challenge of raiding want to see a story just as much as the people who play the game more infrequently. To solve the problem, the content would need to have all its story elements stripped from it, which would remove a lot of the reason for doing it in the first place.

The method they are choosing for progression attempts to address that issue, but also strips away something important from the people who originally did the content pre-nerf. The items become less worthwhile because the difficulty of acquiring them is no longer the same, which is compounded by the fact that the item is now on a lower item tier. I think some other people elaborated more elegantly on this issue than I have previously in the thread.

I absolutely respect your views on this, and I completely agree that stuff should be accessible. I just want to have some content that is challenging and give us trophies that don't become devaluated into nothingness by future patches.

[Ulathskullsplitter]

So you would rather the difficulty to stay the same and SE to work hard on making new content so only the top 5-10% of the playerbase will ever see it? The players who can't beat turn 5 now will never beat it if it doesnt change. So you want 90% of the players locked out of ever progressing so you can continue feeling special for something you accomplished in 2.0/2.1 years down the road when only a handful of players are even allowed to try new content.

Ya that sounds like a good way to keep people playing.

[Vahlnir]

Won't save it. They're copying the WoW transmogrification system instead of vanity slots from what I hear. You will need a craftsman to make a specific piece of gear look like another one and it will probably use up the item in the process. Why bother going back to grab old stuff if the new stuff is going to get invalidated in a matter of months? The rate at which he is doing this is already pissing off a lot of people. It also surprises me how many people seem to lack the human empathy to see why these people are getting upset about it.

I'd like to know where you're getting your information, cause what I gathered from the live letter said nothing about that. They said that it would rely on crafting...beyond that, they simply said a vanity system was being released. What you described certainly isn't WoW's transmog system, either. I won't make any assumptions until we get more information, though.

[Fendred]

I'd like to know where you're getting your information, cause what I gathered from the live letter said nothing about that. They said that it would rely on crafting...beyond that, they simply said a vanity system was being released. What you described certainly isn't WoW's transmog system, either. I won't make any assumptions until we get more information, though.

Because it will require a craft, that kind of suggests a transmogrification-like system. It suggests that a craftman needs to somehow merge the item appearance with another item. It may not be, but requiring a person to have craft x leveled to put item y in a vanity slot seems kind of... roundabout to say the least.

[Vahlnir]

Because it will require a craft, that kind of suggests a transmogrification-like system. It suggests that a craftman needs to somehow merge the item appearance with another item. It may not be, but requiring a person to have craft x leveled to put item y in a vanity slot seems kind of... roundabout to say the least.

Rely on crafting=/=requiring a craft. All we can do is speculate. What you are talking about isn't like WoW's though as far as method...but it is roundabout, I will agree with that much.

[Alkimi]

I miss the XI glory days. Feels like Obama is running this game handouts for everyone.

Camping kings every day for years for sidegrades? Nobody wants that, not even you.

[Jubez187]

Wait when did they ever say that Turn 5 was going to be as easy as CT? They didn't, stop making outlandish assumptions. I don't care about e-peen rare swords, I care about experience and having fun. If I get to witness the "hard" and "fun" Turn 5 then hats off to me. Lower level content is going to continuously be less populated (as a majority of players are going to be 50+) so you can't make it too hard as that will just gate people from progressing.

[Errors]

Anyone who thought that their current gear would last had high hopes. This is progression. New content is added to progress and advance past your current gear set.