The Praetorium (Hard)

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Ultima didn't drop anything either though but we were given a hard mode version of that with loot. So you can't really count out these dungeons just because their normal version's have no loot.

To be perfectly fair though - When has Ultima been thrown at us and he was worth 'nothing' like he was in FFXIV? Even in XI's version of the storyline mission, 'One to be Feared' was one of the hardest encounters back in 2005ish being just a storyline mission, then we later find out that the versions we fought were basically sending them on a trial run and the "actual" versions were in Limbus.

They needed an excuse to make Ultima actually be a fight worth something.

I would like a Praetorium HM dungeon with everything you said, except for a "Proto-Ultima" The Ultima-fight is awesome, the HM Ultima fight is awesome, I just don't want another Ultima when there are so many other enemies in FF lore they could use. We are eventually going to have an Extreme Ultima (I would imagine), this would effectively be 4 Ultima fights in the game. I don't care if the word Proto is stuck in front of Ultima, it would still be another Ultima.

Every single other thing you pontificated about a Praetorium HM dungeon sounds pretty sweet though.

Well, here's the thing - Technology wise, the only "FF lore" creatures SE could use in regards to Garleans is:

Ultima
Omega
Diamond/Ruby/Sapphire (etc) Weapons
Proto-(insert)
Bahamut Zero (But we know how this would go)
Materia Eater

So on and so forth - There's not much they could use that would make sense, much like Acheron (Titan) is supposedly Allagan yet summons Magitek, which means Magitek is Allagan technology so they could find a way to throw in a Round 1 versus Shinryu, but that would also mean Omega Weapon has to exists somewhere.