A party member has withdrawn...

[skho01]

What about giving people a 3-5 Withdraw "quotas" within any given 2 hr period. AND in progress games shouldn't even display 3/4 in progress when the DF thing pops up. You either join an in progress game, or not PERIOD

Additionally, if you join a game and leave (regardless of if the party is full or not) you will consume one of your quotas.

After your quotas are reached, you have a 45min lockout.

I'm sure there are flaws to this system, thoughts?

[MurakumoMillennium]

THE SOLUTION: TAKE AWAY JOIN IN PROGRESS, MAKE ALL QUEUES GO INTO EITHER, NO MORE CONFIRM, IF YOU QUEUE FOR IT, YOU'RE GOING IN, NO CANCELING. MAKE DAMN SURE YOU WANT IN BEFORE YOU QUEUE.

THE VOTE KICKS NEED TO BE REMOVED, ITS HIGHLY ABUSED I GOT KICKED FOR NOT KICKING, ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

No. No no no. No no. No.

[Hazanko]

Hello all,

As you know, when joining in progress for the Crystal Tower, the system displays the progress of the raid when attempting to join runs in progress. For example, "Progress: 1/4".

However, this will be adjusted for the Crystal Tower to always show the progress as 0/1 in patch 2.15.

Seriously now we have to join a ""crappy" raid and not know where/how far along we are? How is exactly fair to those who do takes the queue when it's something like 2/4... Well now I'll totally avoid CT, since I'm full 90 item level and have no need or point in stepping foot in that horrid place >.> Good Job SE on screwing up some of the latest content you came out with.... >.>

Edit: Exactly how do I not belong there? Like do I not have alt classes/jobs to gear up? What about philo/myth tomes? I for one am sick of dungeons/ hm dungeons when it's the same thing over and over, Speed runs are great but they to can lead to some pretty bad times. Just like groups in CT, but for you to sit there and claim I shouldn't/don't belong in CT is just you being rude/dick-ish. You're saying I can't enjoy the content that I too pay for.

[HorrorStory]

Well, it shows they're willing to address the issue of queue fishers. This is a subpar fix for a bad situation, but hopefully it means they're taking a measured look at this problem & plan to push back against it with other adjustments in the near future. Something like this should be in place for normal DF instances too. A flat 15 minute penalty for withdrawing sounds good, imo. There should also be a penalty for being dismissed from a group.

[Mortechai]

The penalties for repeatedly withdrawing need to be so severe that it will be faster for the people attempting to do this to just complete the dungeon from start to finish in the first place. Same needs to be done with people getting into a partial, seeing that its not what they wanted/far enough and leaving. It needs to give them a cooldown so long that they would have been better off just staying and finishing it.

[Mortechai]

Seriously now we have to join a ""crappy" raid and not know where/how far along we are? How is exactly fair to those who do takes the queue when it's something like 2/4... Well now I'll totally avoid CT, since I'm full 90 item level and have no need or point in stepping foot in that horrid place >.> Good Job SE on screwing up some of the latest content you came out with.... >.>

You have no reason to be in there in the first place. Sorry, but trying to play the system to allow you to farm your myth tomes faster is not a valid excuse to screw 23 other people over who have to sit there and wait while you decide whether you want to go in or not. HM dungeons are the same myth tomes and can be run twice as fast as CT. Seriously, get over yourself.

[Mykll]

Seriously now we have to join a ""crappy" raid and not know where/how far along we are? How is exactly fair to those who do takes the queue when it's something like 2/4... Well now I'll totally avoid CT, since I'm full 90 item level and have no need or point in stepping foot in that horrid place >.> Good Job SE on screwing up some of the latest content you came out with.... >.>

How do you know that 2/4 is not a crappy raid? What if they wiped on boss 3 a number of times? What if they got that far and took so much time getting there, there is no way they would be able to finish anyway? Seeing 0/4, 1/4, 2/4, 3/4, or starting from fresh, in DF, does not guarantee you a good or bad raid period.

If you are fully ilvl 90 and have no need or point to step in there, then what are you complaining about? This doesn't affect you at all right?

[Sax]

It's not a total fix, but it will go some way to alleviate the 20+minutes of ppl withdrawing fishing for an in progress that is at a particular boss. Who the hell cares if someone joins, you enter, and then they leave? The hardest part about CT is getting past the withdraw button.

[Defmetal]

I think this is kind of the wrong way to fix the problem.
I may not MIND joining an in progress run because I want a faster queue, but perhaps I don't want one that has already killed the 3rd boss because it has the loot I want.

The problem isn't that people know the progress of the dungeon (because maybe you have a valid reason for wanting to withdraw a dungeon that has progressed too far or not far enough), it's that people can withdraw and requeue instantly. Rather than implement this change, they should just implement a progressively increasing delay timer before being allowed to requeue for the SAME dungeon. Start with no delay (maybe I allowed in progress but it showed me it was 3/4 and I wanted Behemoth) but add 30 seconds each time they decline. So first offense, no time, then 30 seconds, 60, 90, etc. Fixes the problem for the most part without hurting anyone.

[Grailer]

did it occur to them that some people are just queing to troll people and they come to forums to lol at the people QQing ? Some people are just so bored they amuse themselves by annoying others .