"New or learning players should just make their own parties in party finder"

[SendohJin]

Is it so much to ask for new players to familiarize themselves with mechanics that they are very likely to not be able to figure out within a reasonable timeframe? Or do we really expect everyone who queues up in the Duty Finder to be willing to go for the maximum length of time available to clear the dungeon?

yup, Duty Finder is random, if you want to take out the Randomness, use Party Finder. otherwise explain it to them in game.

[YuriRamona]

yup, Duty Finder is random, if you want to take out the Randomness, use Party Finder. otherwise explain it to them in game.

Are you serious? Party Finder is not at all the replacement for Duty Finder. Party Finder is wildly inadequate because it draws from a fraction of the available player pool that Duty Finder offers.

Even if players used Party Finder much more seriously and routinely, you might not ever find anyone who wants to run the same dungeon as you regardless of the experience level you desire.

This is partly the fault of the design of the game, but as it stands, it's certainly acceptable for players to expect more from others in Duty Finder.

Please read the rest of my post. It's incredibly unfair to ask the experienced players to have to explain something that the new player can read on their own. You're asking four players to spend the equivalent amount of time that, on the other hand, one player could spend on their own outside of the game, at their own pace, and with visual or video aid. (believe it or not, there are mechanics that are incredibly difficult to explain and understand, especially if players use words with vague meanings such as plumes, bombs, thing, "aoe")

If, on the other hand, you suggest that you can pass mechanics within a reasonable timeframe without knowing how it works beforehand, again, read my post to see why that is unlikely to be probable.

[NyneAlexander]

I joined a titan learning party last night because I really wanted to try for weekly and every "ZOMG XP ONLY NO N00BS" party was full on dps and heals.

It took us a whopping 4 tries, but we beat titan before my food wore off.

Just cause its a learning party doesn't mean that people are bad players or can't learn quickly.

[Ronove]

I made a Garuda EX learning party the other day and we were filled up pretty quickly. We cycled through a few people and while we didn't beat the fight (most of us got tired by the time we disbanded) we all learned and came out as more experienced players. My friend and I who put that learning party together went on to beat the fight this morning even. I would figure how frequently these "learner" party finders fill up depends on the time of day for sure.

[ufufu]

How is it elitist, exactly, to want to put together a farming group that includes only people who know the fight? I don't see the problem.

[Orophin]

Party Finder is wildly inadequate because it draws from a fraction of the available player pool that Duty Finder offers.

While that may be, PF is a way better filter than joining the DF. You can set a minimum ilvl in the PF or state your agenda. In the DF, you're gonna get lumped up with the first 7 people available, regardless of their gear or experience with the fight. I think statistically speaking you're going to see better results by setting filters for your group. It may take more time to form, but the odds of success are probably going to be higher.

[SendohJin]

it's certainly acceptable for players to expect more from others in Duty Finder.

(believe it or not, there are mechanics that are incredibly difficult to explain and understand, especially if players use words with vague meanings such as plumes, bombs, thing, "aoe")

you can expect whatever you want, you just won't always get it.

then those players should learn to be more clear what they are saying.

[YuriRamona]

you can expect whatever you want, you just won't always get it.

then those players should learn to be more clear what they are saying.

OK great, maybe I should make a macro that outlines in specific terms what each mechanic is and how to pass it. And then take and field questions and go through a few dry runs to show them how it's done, so they can see, visually and temporally, how and when things appear and occur.

Or, you know, the new player can go spend a minute to read about it or skim through a video for a few minutes.

[SendohJin]

Or, you know, the new player can go spend a minute to read about it or skim through a video for a few minutes.

they can but they won't. i know tons of people that get off work and just want to log on and play. you're not going to change their minds. that is the randomness of a diverse population and duty finder.

[Wilksha]

On my server I have been noticing at least for extreme garuda or titan, they want experienced winners and will check by DF ifrit for win check. Elitist much?