"New or learning players should just make their own parties in party finder"

[Phaus]

The term elitist in this thread is thrown around loosely.. Very, very loosely.

[Renik]

@synaesthetic

Ultima is not fun because it takes a lot of time to learn the battle (i'm talking about the first weeks of 2.1, never tried again because the gear is meh), everytime i helped someone there it takes hours to get a win, and there's the tank switch, you need 2 good tanks to win, there's always a tank that moves ultima or keep defiance or sield oath on while off-tanking.

And i dont consider evading like a mechanic at all, it's fun in battles like the final boss of CT or the demon in haukke manor HM, but in ultima it's just repetitive as hell.

Mechanics are something like the morbol fuits, cannons, caduceus pads, bone dragon and the skeles... from my point of view ultima HM has no mechanics, just the 1shooting balls.

Edit: gotta add that my main is pld, i played ultima as SMN and yes, it's fun, but it's too stressing for tanks, same happens with garudaEX and HM, and same happens with titan, it's stressing as DD or healer, but really fun as tank

[Tsumoro]

How about you not tell people how to play the game that they pay a monthly sub for. Perhaps I could bark at you instructions and guidelines for you to follow for my own betterment? PF allows you to get a group that is stylized to your need. Some people will use it for higher ilvl and some will use it to get help with things. I like that the option exists and is not enforced upon people.

[MeiUshu]

this thread scares me alot, really does, it is sad to see so many demeaning new comers, I, for one, do watch videos but they do not talk to me at all, even read but that doesnt talk to me either, only the *real* does, for that though I tried multiple times, yet the try is always only for a few minutes so many tries without ever seeing what an entire fight is, as people leave after one wipe, so people like me, will learn the first part, then after 20x death, undesrtand why they die, move to the second stage, die there 20X, learn that part, and eventually reach the last part, die again 20x and once this is done learn the fight eventually, it is fun to be honest, what is less is the incapacity of people that choose DF to understand that by the choice they made they have no space to demand that others know all, if they want that they should build a static group or use PF (I went into one of those PF even if I knew nothing otherwise I would never got a chance to do hydra and chimera)
Mei