"New or learning players should just make their own parties in party finder"

[YuriRamona]

yup, Duty Finder is random, if you want to take out the Randomness, use Party Finder. otherwise explain it to them in game.

Are you serious? Party Finder is not at all the replacement for Duty Finder. Party Finder is wildly inadequate because it draws from a fraction of the available player pool that Duty Finder offers.

Even if players used Party Finder much more seriously and routinely, you might not ever find anyone who wants to run the same dungeon as you regardless of the experience level you desire.

This is partly the fault of the design of the game, but as it stands, it's certainly acceptable for players to expect more from others in Duty Finder.

Please read the rest of my post. It's incredibly unfair to ask the experienced players to have to explain something that the new player can read on their own. You're asking four players to spend the equivalent amount of time that, on the other hand, one player could spend on their own outside of the game, at their own pace, and with visual or video aid. (believe it or not, there are mechanics that are incredibly difficult to explain and understand, especially if players use words with vague meanings such as plumes, bombs, thing, "aoe")

If, on the other hand, you suggest that you can pass mechanics within a reasonable timeframe without knowing how it works beforehand, again, read my post to see why that is unlikely to be probable.

[Orophin]

Party Finder is wildly inadequate because it draws from a fraction of the available player pool that Duty Finder offers.

While that may be, PF is a way better filter than joining the DF. You can set a minimum ilvl in the PF or state your agenda. In the DF, you're gonna get lumped up with the first 7 people available, regardless of their gear or experience with the fight. I think statistically speaking you're going to see better results by setting filters for your group. It may take more time to form, but the odds of success are probably going to be higher.

[SendohJin]

it's certainly acceptable for players to expect more from others in Duty Finder.

(believe it or not, there are mechanics that are incredibly difficult to explain and understand, especially if players use words with vague meanings such as plumes, bombs, thing, "aoe")

you can expect whatever you want, you just won't always get it.

then those players should learn to be more clear what they are saying.

[YuriRamona]

you can expect whatever you want, you just won't always get it.

then those players should learn to be more clear what they are saying.

OK great, maybe I should make a macro that outlines in specific terms what each mechanic is and how to pass it. And then take and field questions and go through a few dry runs to show them how it's done, so they can see, visually and temporally, how and when things appear and occur.

Or, you know, the new player can go spend a minute to read about it or skim through a video for a few minutes.

[SendohJin]

Or, you know, the new player can go spend a minute to read about it or skim through a video for a few minutes.

they can but they won't. i know tons of people that get off work and just want to log on and play. you're not going to change their minds. that is the randomness of a diverse population and duty finder.

[RONINRAVER]

OK great, maybe I should make a macro that outlines in specific terms what each mechanic is and how to pass it. And then take and field questions and go through a few dry runs to show them how it's done, so they can see, visually and temporally, how and when things appear and occur.

Or, you know, the new player can go spend a minute to read about it or skim through a video for a few minutes.

You're free to expect whatever you like to come with a Duty Finder party. That Duty Finder party is free to disappoint you in whatever manner it can.

In a perfect world everyone is born with intimate knowledge of all boss ability tables, and plays to perfection every fight, with no shortcomings.
Given that this is not that perfect world, your expectations can be fairly summed up as "too high".


Duty finder is egalitarian, and beyond some very basic iLvl, character level and job/class requirements is designed to cast the widest net possible, to help you fill up a group when you're unable to do so yourself.

Duty Finder is designed specifically to grab the right number of classes/roles/warm bodies, check for a pulse, and mash whoever comes up into something resembling a party.

Duty Finder is NOT designed to check competence, player reaction times, knowledge of mechanics or general player skill. The actual content Duty Finder throws you into is the check for that.


It IS unreasonable to expect that people thrown randomly together by a system that has the most very basic and minimal barriers to entry in place to also somehow supply you with a winning team every time you use it, or even half the time I'd say.

If you beat whatever the content in question is with a Duty Finder group AT ALL, be glad of it, regardless of the hoops you may have to jump through.


You want pros? People you can be sure are competent and have done the fight before/watched the video/read the guide?
You go to Party Finder and set/check requirements. You get off your a** and do some of the groundwork for the party build yourself.

You want to sit back, relax and have the system cast a super-wide net for you? Do all the party building at the push of a button while you enjoy your latte? You use Duty Finder, and you work with what it gives you.

If it gives you lemons, you can make lemonade (teach the players it provided you with) or you can leave ("Eh, I like lemonade, but not enough to juice those suckers myself").
Expecting the lemons to juice themselves is silly. If it happens by chance, it's a miracle and you should be thankful. If it doesn't, did you really have any reasonable right to expect otherwise?