The Monk Temple

[Traison]

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so what you are saying is that aside from greased lightning and twin snakes, monks are on par with warriors as a dps class. I cannot even begin to talk about whats wrong with that. You could skip every single greased lightning and still out dps the tanks, if not, you are definitely playing the class wrong unless you are severely out geared or some other factor, and if it is gear, well then you know what the problem is.

[EasymodeX]

See you say I was carried, and yet you do not offer any advice or tips just like the group I was in. That is the elitism that I am talking about.

You want people to carry you and to hold your hand. You have some strange sort of entitlement complex.

I know how to play my class, but maybe there are things I am missing.

You did less DPS than the WAR. You don't know how to play your class.

So why dont you offer advice

Am I obligated to be your personal trainer?

Read this 136 page thread, get a parser, parse yourself, practice. Hell, maybe they were completely bullshitting you, but you wouldn't know without a stick to measure by, would you?

Don't tell me you didn't think of this yourself ... ?

Titan is not a DPS race except for heart phase and obviously I was not slowing down the group as we cleared it both times.

Titan EX doesn't even begin until after the heart phase. The heart phase is a minor dps check. Adds are another check, and gaols are a check throughout, and superbomb is a minor check. The entire fight as a whole is a DPS check, because there is an actual enrage and general instability post-heart will cause players to die which immediately makes the enrage relevant, especially when one player is basically underperforming by a huge amount.

I know my numbers that roll up on the screen and I know the effects that having to stack rear does to my DPS.

If you're stacking rear 100% of the time, you're doing it wrong.

I also know I lose 47% of my DPS when I get gaoled while the Warrior (who never gets gaoled) can keep on DPSing at full potential.

Is this your excuse? I would have to almost afk to do as little DPS as a tank who is in tanking gear and has to spend half the fight tanking (therefore threatcapping themselves with actual threat attacks, making it even harder for them to DPS when not MT).

Sidenote: 47% is a pretty good estimate, even if that loss only lasts for 6 seconds. Running at a ballpark -25% over 20 seconds every, what, two minutes (random guess) is a 4.2% total DPS loss. Even if you fail to maintain GL every jump, your total DPS loss is only going to be like 5-15%.

You should be doing more than 15% more DPS than the tank.

Really, I insist.

I also have to be lucky that when he jumps that I am at the perfect spot in my rotation otherwise again I may have to start all over dealing 47% less damage.

Practice more.

[GunnarWolfram]

If that is the case explain to me how else monks make up for DPS. Have you even looked at the skill set that Warriors have. They are no chumps when it comes to DPS. Maybe I am off on my math skills but assuming a Warrior has comparable stats( I know its not going to be exact) a 150 potency attack is a 150 potency attack. So yes, without greased lightning and twin snakes monks would be just about as effective as a Warrior. I have 520 potency with my best rotation BS->True Strike->SP assuming that I am positioned properly for everything (I.E. an enemy doesnt rotate to face me while I am using any of the abilities). A Warriors top rotation is HS->Maim->BB with 630 Potency (or if we include Defiance and only apply the Maim bonus to Butcher's Block ~529). Maybe I am just bad at math but numbers dont lie.

GL is essential to a Monk being a DPS class, so I do not know where your facts are saying Monk can still out DPS all tanks even without Twin Snakes and GL

[GunnarWolfram]

Did I ask people to carry me through Titan EX....no I explained my situation have already admitted that I am not ever going to be a top monk, this is a game and I do my best to enjoy it and play at the best of my ability. So how about not attacking me. I asked a question to see if others were running into the same problem I was and thought maybe through some discussion I could find some tips on the fight so I can get past this road block and get my Primal Weapon.

And yes I know its not 47% the whole time, its 47% then 37% then 18% then 9% then I am back to normal around the 15 second mark or so.

Whatever though it doesnt look like I am going to get any meaningful convo, I will just keep an eye out for Titan Ex Monk discussions as the thread continues and work on my rotations like I have been.

[Rochetm]

There is no reason to stack until after the heart phase. I let the group decide which way they want to run and then I use the other side for flank attacks. After heart you need to watch your positioning with double plumes and bombs/landslide. People that say you have to stack are either bad or watched mr happy and think its impossible to do the fight any other way.

Warriors that say they do OMG DMG are also OMG liars... and there is a lot of them around. If you are getting beat by warriors you are either really out geared or doing something wrong.

[EasymodeX]

I asked a question to see if others were running into the same problem I was and thought maybe through some discussion I could find some tips on the fight so I can get past this road block and get my Primal Weapon.

Whatever though it doesnt look like I am going to get any meaningful convo,

You didn't ask for help.

Your post began with complaints about people kicking you for underperforming, slandering your former groupmates by calling them elitist. It continued with various excuses as to why you were underperforming.

So now in addition to an entitlement complex, you are duplicitous and trying to re-cast what you previously posted.

[Size]

I asked a question to see if others were running into the same problem I was and thought maybe through some discussion I could find some tips on the fight so I can get past this road block and get my Primal Weapon.

Question 1: What is your gear set up stat wise? i.e. how much STR DET and ACC do you have? You already said you don't have Zenith, which is a pretty big dps loss.
Question 2: How often were you landing hits on Titan? We're you keeping up your rotation or were you loosing if from dodging all the time?
Question 3: How geared was the warrior compared to you?

[ryuuken]

If your dps is lower than a WAR, Titan won't be your only roadblock. Ifrit nails will just laugh at you. Regardless, if you really are underperforming by THAT much, I would suggest practicing rotations/timings to maximize GL uptime. I literally cant imagine a way you could get out dps'd by a warrior, but you definitely need to practice/to put it in a straightforward way...get better.

Even getting gaol'd multiple times, even having gl drop off here and there, I have yet to be out dps'd by anyone, and tanks are pretty low on those charts. So you're either just autoattacking and trying to dodge and not using skills or...yeah.

Read, watch videos, practice. Complaining wwon't get you anywhere, especially when it's something like this.

[NeonC]

What you have to get used to, which is hard, is to keep hitting even when you know a plume is coming. You don't need to stack if you are the only melee as most good players will just know where not to go(till east side is blocked from sludge). I notice my dps and other players as well go down because as we anticipate a plume or are in the process of dodging we are not dps'ing. I think most of the advice is a little too advanced though, as your issue seems like you are just scared and not doing much of anything. Just takes time to get comfortable.

[GunnarWolfram]

1. Accuracy479/Critical Hit Rate483/Determination238/STR 480 I can't imagine that I am undergeared, or missing with those stats. I am as BiS as I can get without hoping for a drop in coil or upgrading to Hell Claws or Zenith.

2. All my hits were landing and from my observation it was normal damage 290-310 on DK from flank (Much lower if I stacking up for Plumes) I want to say my Bootshines were critting somwhere around 450-530ish and I know just from seeing my numbers all the time with full stacks and BfB I max out around 630-700 on a True Strike/Snap Punch Crit otherwise its hitting for 400s. I didnt think I was losing my stacks, and I unless I am mistaken those numbers are not bad. I will confess I did not always keep up ToD and did my best to keep up Demolish when it dropped.

3) That I do not know, I just know he had a +1 and was good.