"Need" should check ilevel

[Worm]

Also its both unfair and kind of insulting to say these other reasons are "trivial." To be frank, many would say most player who are currently at a state where a primal weapon is a upgerade, this late in the patch cycle... are probably awful or casuals. (Or someone who will one day be great and just started). Some would argue that loot going to a "bad" is a "waste" and thus their "need" is "trivial." If we all show up to the fight and help earn the win, we all get a chance i think.

I think you're reading a too little into it. When I say trivial purpose I mean non-game purpose. Rolling on gear to turn it into seals is the same thing is vanity and that's the same thing as leaving it to rot on your retainer because they are non-stat purposes, that's all. Not to mention it's kind of funny to have you complain about players who need this gear being awful when you'd probably make the same complaint about someone rocking their GC weapon.

If you really want to get into it I'd say Vanity>Bag>Seals but your argument basically justifies someone needing to turn something into seals. "What if they really need the seals? They have an equal right to roll need, we all downed the boss and we deserve the right to roll!" If you're okay with that, fine. I'm not OK with it, I think if someone can increase their numbers in a game which is obsessed with the highest possible numbers they should. I think it's wrong to deny someone their slightly higher numbers or place your vanity gear (or seals) as just as important as their slightly higher numbers.

Obviously taking gear someone can use as an upgrade (no matter how temporary) and taking it and turning it into GC Seals is wrong, if you don't think so whatever. But if you think that's not a nice thing to do then we have to accept there is a general etiquette surrounding loot and that the NEED button has different meaning than the GREED button. So if we accept there is some sort of loot etiquette well then we can expand that etiquette to decide when it is acceptable or not acceptable to roll on something and discuss than with people in the group. It's obviously a superior way to act than silently needing everything and leaving groups before someone can inspect you to object.

[Noahlimits]

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Someone who can need the item can need it for a reason. They contributed to the fight just as much (if not more) than the less geared player and are the main class for the dropped item. If you want to make special looting rules, that's what pre-mades are for.

If it's a pug or duty finder party, you have no right to say what I can and cannot roll on based on my gear. Would you prefer those full i90 people come in with a GC weapon to the basic primals just to satisfy you? It's strictly opinion and in the eye of the beholder whether stats > vanity or stats > seals. We all play the game different and one isn't higher than the other.

Everything being stated by you is your moral opinions trying to be made to sound like fact.

[PiedPiper]

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I didn't say that was my opinion, I aws just pointing out that it is another way of seeing it.

And, if someone wants to farm GC seals for some reason, such as switching alliance or getting barding, and they chose to farm primals to do it.... I mean its what they need. They are putting in the same effort to get what they have decided they want. Just because you want it doesn't mean they don't.

I think farming primals to get GC seals is a waste of time and pretty inefficient, but if that's how someone wants to play, its how they want to play.

If I want to farm all the weapons to put on weapon racks in a fc house, then its what I want to do.

Both of these aren't "non-game" purposes. Its all in game.

If a group forms with explicit loot rules then you follow them.

[Worm]

And, if someone wants to farm GC seals for some reason, such as switching alliance or getting barding, and they chose to farm primals to do it.... I mean its what they need. They are putting in the same effort to get what they have decided they want. Just because you want it doesn't mean they don't.

Like I said before ... whatever. If you really think that's an okay reason to roll need then I can't understand or agree at all. I just disagree with this sentiment, you can take it a step further and justify someone rolling on gear to delete it just so a "scrub" can't get it, I can't accept that behavior.

Both of these aren't "non-game" purposes. Its all in game.

Sure they're non-game. There things that are effecting stats i.e. the game, the fashion is just that ... fashion. It doesn't effect the game, it's like what the chess pieces are made out of, it doesn't matter.
EDIT: I guess you can make the argument that etiquette is non-game too and therefore shouldn't matter, which is still a better argument than "What if he needs those seals!?".
Look I think I'm done here for real now.
EDIT: And I don't mean to run off, we're just going to hit our post limits soon and we're really not seeing any movement. These are irreconcilable differences, I don't know how else to explain this to you.

UT!

My reply was based on what YOU said. When I asked if a full i90 switched to GC for the fight, you stated that would be acceptable. It didn't make sense why you would find that acceptable, or maybe you just misread or understood what I initially asked.

I meant it would be fine to me if people didn't use their superior gear to alleviate the plight of those players who need the upgrade, not that it would be acceptable for them to roll need on loot they don't actually need. So yeah I misunderstood what you meant, sorry!