Future of Warrior/Defiance

[SpookyGhost]

I have to laugh at you bringing up Flash, as if there were actually a reason to bring it any more.

Berserk pacification.

[Kitru]

Berserk pacification.

I actually mentioned that in the very next sentence. Might I suggest you read before commenting?

[SpookyGhost]

I actually mentioned that in the very next sentence. Might I suggest you read before commenting?

Well, no, you didnt. "The only reason you ever wanted to use Flash previously was when you needed snap aggro on something because Overpower had a painfully long animation time." was your next sentence, which dooooesn't say anything about Berserk. However, the sentence after that, does. I'm pretty sure the fact that it's a skill you can use during pacification alone should warrant it being an incredibly useful cross class... I'm not sure what you'd want over it. Second Wind for single encounter boss fights, I guess? Any dungeon you're running, Flash is going to be infinitely better than any other skill you could cross class. Dunno why people keep thinking it's useless now.

[Kitru]

Dunno why people keep thinking it's useless now.

Because it is. What use is an ability that generates only enmity and only has value during a 5 second period that occurs, at most, once every 90 seconds. Enmity generation is already pretty much a joke, especially after you've used Berserk, so the only possible time you'd ever see the remotest need for it is if you were bad enough to use your Berserk such that it runs out right before some adds spawn. In any other situation, it's worthless: you don't need the enmity during Pacification at any other time.

Mantra and Awareness are both more useful than Flash since they actually bolster (even if only by a small amount) your survivability rather than redundantly attempting to shore up a tiny portion of an already redundantly effective part of tanking that you'll only ever stumble upon if you're bad. The only possible reason I can see someone thinking that Flash is infinitely better than *anything else* is if they're mortally allergic to not having something to do while they're Pacified.

Flash *used* to be useful (and required in a small number of circumstances) because Overpower was slow as hell. Overpower is no longer slow as hell so Flash lost the one aspect about it that actually made it a desirable CC ability. As it stands, it's just a redundant enmity generator whose only interesting feature is that it can be used while you're Pacified, when you don't even need to be able to generate more enmity. If it did damage, I could see it being useful since you'd actually be contributing something useful while you're Pacified and otherwise contributing nothing, but, since it doesn't, it's worthless.

[Moonwolfthegrey]

Flash *used* to usefull because Overpower was slow as hell. Overpower is no longer slow as hell so Flash lost the one aspect about it that actually made it a desirable CC ability. As it stands, it's just a redundant enmity generator whose only interesting feature is that it can be used while
you're Pacified, when you don't even need to be able to generate more enmity. If it did damage, I could see it being useful since you'd actually be contributing something useful while you're Pacified and otherwise contributing nothing, but, since it doesn't, it's worthless.

Flash I find can be useful in general, specifically in lower level dungeons when tanking multiple mobs of whom all but one are slept, I use flash every now and then when I feel I'm losing hate on the slept mobs around me or if I don't want to use other aoe enmity moves in case I wake the mobs up(OP,SC etc).that way when they do wake up they won't head straight for the healer

[whiskeybravo]

Flash I find can be useful in general, specifically in lower level dungeons when tanking multiple mobs of whom all but one are slept, I use flash every now and then when I feel I'm losing hate on the slept mobs around me or if I don't want to use other aoe enmity moves in case I wake the mobs up(OP,SC etc).that way when they do wake up they won't head straight for the healer

Yea that's the best. Even if blm pulled aggro on sleeping, flash still effects them so they won't wake up and go after him right away.

@Kitru - I've been using Unchained a lot now, almost every time it's available. But never really used it much before, least not that I can remember. Since the Defiance changes opened up using abilities more often, I definitely have been. I was probably one of the few that got excited about SC increasing enmity, since I had actually used it pretty frequently on AK grinds (though, mainly for the self heals with bloodbath XD)

[Kitru]

@Kitru - I've been using Unchained a lot now, almost every time it's available. But never really used it much before, least not that I can remember.

I used Unchained a lot more than I used SC in 2.0, which isn't saying much since SC wasn't even on my bar in 2.0. I only ever used Unchained during my opening enmity generation rotation and, even now, that's what I tend to use Unchained for most of the time. Occasionally I'll use it during a DPS race fight/phase, but, even then, I'd rather save it for IB and the generally more useful damage reduction.