Future of Warrior/Defiance

[Remmadar]

The 2.1 buffs to warrior were indeed great and they have helped war get back into the game but I've felt uneasy about the changes.

Since they changed Inner Beast to be the main tanking mechanic of War atm... whats to come for the future abilities. They barely can manage three of them.

While unchained has its small uses, its honestly not needed. The 2.1 enmity change has made it really hard for people to come close to stealing aggro. While boosting your damage.. damage really isn't the priority of a tank.

Steel Cyclone... well is just useless. Overpower/Flash are just as good.

What about future Warrior abilities.. if 90% of the time we still just use this 1 ability.. its going to be hard for them to add in
more.

Not to mention they didn't even change the abilities that really needed a touch up like Foresight, Bloodbath.. and Mercy Stroke.
I'd even go as far to say Cross Class abilities are alittle meh.. but every job has that atm so no need to dive into that.

Foresight should be buffed to 30,40.. maybe 50% armor buff if all its going to do is buff your defense
Bloodbath should scale off Damage and perhaps add in a % of max health. so it scales with warrior
Mercy Stroke just sucks.. I don't have buff to this

I know it seems silly but I think the Defiance abilities should have their own CD like Unchained does atm. That way your building up stacks and using all of them instead of just sitting on 1 ability all the time. That way they can add in more abiltiies to use later for warrior.

I just think SE took the band-aid approach to Warrior and really didn't look at the future

[Yunnie]

I think war as is will probably scale better then paladin in the future. Warrior in its new design is going into the direction of main tank against super hard hitting boss monsters. Their defensive cooldowns are on a very predictable timer making them perfect for long repetitious battle flow. With HP boost to complete the package, as vit grows innately on tank gear, so will the warriors HP via defiance grow, and then in turn, so will food buffs and thril of battle as well as stone skin. I foresee a problem more with paladin in the future, then warriors.

[Squa]

warriors are amazing now.

[Caraway]

I agree that Unchained is pretty niche mainly due to its cost, but Steel Cyclone is great for mowing through trash packs. Not all of our skills are for the Big Bad at the end of the dungeon.

Foresight is weak and needs a bit of a buff (maybe include magic defense?) but it will scale as we do so there's that. It will always be at least a minor boost to survivability.

Bloodbath is great the way it is I think. It's enough to handle knocks from trash mobs, and it adds to your enmity generation. It isn't a lot of healing but it stacks, and using it while Unchained could be a good use of that skill.

Mercy Stroke is pretty much just a free DPS boost on way too long of a timer for how it works. I say add a TP cost and significantly reduce the recharge (if any at all). Because as it stands, the likelihood of a Warrior actually getting the last hit on a mob is slim (more so as a Marauder with the options for cross-class skills and no damage penalty).

[Amyas]

Dude. How is IB your main tanking mechanic? You still shouldn't be popping it off every time its up, only when you're about to take a big hit. Steel Cyclone is useless on single target, but for 90% of content, which involves adds, its amazing. Its essentially free with no tp cost, just wrath which is easily gained back, and with it and OP I can easily out aoe tank any pld, 100% guaranteed.

[OmegaSinX]

Unchained and Steel Cyclone are very under rated. I guess people are still use to 2.0 versions. Steel Cyclone is a Great AoE opener and as someone mentioned, it cost no TP. I also find that if I open with Steel Cyclone, everyone else threat bar sits on zero for a long time which makes me wonder how much is the modifier, x5 ? x10 ? It has to be really high for it to cost all wrath you would think. And for Unchained, its prolly the most under used wrath skill right now which is a shame. Although DPS isnt your main priority, anything that helps end fight quicker is always welcome. Unchained shines even more when your a Off Tank. Steel Cyclone would be cool if it was a AoE 3s Stun with demishing returns. Imagine that.

In the future, I hope SE brings more Crowd Control & Party utility wrath Skills to WAR. Maybe a Battle Voice that increase raid Determination by 10% ? Or a Raid HP Boost that last 20secs like in PvP.

[Kitru]

Steel Cyclone... well is just useless. Overpower/Flash are just as good.

I have to laugh at you bringing up Flash, as if there were actually a reason to bring it any more. The only reason you ever wanted to use Flash previously was when you needed snap aggro on something because Overpower had a painfully long animation time. Now that Overpower is basically instant and enmity has been buffed so much that there isn't even a need to use it to generate enmity while you're Pacified from Berserk, Flash is pointless (I already thought it was basically pointless in 2.1 outside of t1 OT and t4).

As to Steel Cyclone, it's *amazing*. Yes, you can generate better/comparable enmity with Overpower without spending the Wrath stacks, but Overpower is *expensive as hell*. SC>Infuriate>SC generates a metric crapton of enmity and doesn't tank your TP in the process (BB>BB>SP>SC generates more than enough to maintain aggro on everything as well). On top of this, if you're using Steel Cyclone, you're still generating Wrath stacks, which means that, if you need to get a quick burst of mitigation, you can still rely on Inner Beast; if you're Overpower spamming, you're sacrificing your tactical options by not generating those Wrath stacks. In addition, if you're using SC, you're pretty much guaranteed to have the Maim buff active (given that you gotta gen Wrath to use SC and Maim is in 2 of your 3 combos) whereas, most of the time, it's unlikely that you'll have it if you're Overpower spamming (due to cost as well as action limitations).

The only time I use Overpower now are when I start a trash fight without Infuriate or 5 stacks of Wrath. Even on AoE damage fights (like p1 and p4 on t4), I avoid Overpower spamming (I'll use it maybe 3-4 times) because I don't want to tank my TP by doing so. I can contribute plenty of damage by using SC and doing so is going to let me continue wailing on targets the entire time rather than having to wait for 30-45 seconds after spamming to get my TP back up to a reasonable level.

Bloodbath should scale off Damage and perhaps add in a % of max health. so it scales with warrior

It does scale with damage. It heals you for 25% of your damage dealt for the duration. Did you even read it?

I just think SE took the band-aid approach to Warrior and really didn't look at the future

I think you just don't know what you're talking about. SEs fixes were amazing and, while they didn't address *everything* that should/could have been addressed (Holmgang still has some issues, Mercy Stroke is still a complete joke, and Foresight could bear some slight buffing), they did enough that WAR is in a *very* healthy state right now and those issues that they "missed" aren't really major concerns (with the possible exception of the bug with Holmgang not preventing forced movement, but that's being fixed).

[SpookyGhost]

I have to laugh at you bringing up Flash, as if there were actually a reason to bring it any more.

Berserk pacification.

[Naiser]

DPS isn't your main contribution to the party but emnity is. Open with unchained or steel cyclone, and you'll get infuriate back up within 2 combo chain.

These two moves are great for dungeon crawls. When tanking a boss, unchained + berserk + infuriate + inner beast can help you get back up against predicted hard hitting boss moves. Pop blood bath and you'll have a steady trickle of heals.

[Kitru]

Berserk pacification.

I actually mentioned that in the very next sentence. Might I suggest you read before commenting?