Future of Warrior/Defiance

[Kitru]

Steel Cyclone... well is just useless. Overpower/Flash are just as good.

I have to laugh at you bringing up Flash, as if there were actually a reason to bring it any more. The only reason you ever wanted to use Flash previously was when you needed snap aggro on something because Overpower had a painfully long animation time. Now that Overpower is basically instant and enmity has been buffed so much that there isn't even a need to use it to generate enmity while you're Pacified from Berserk, Flash is pointless (I already thought it was basically pointless in 2.1 outside of t1 OT and t4).

As to Steel Cyclone, it's *amazing*. Yes, you can generate better/comparable enmity with Overpower without spending the Wrath stacks, but Overpower is *expensive as hell*. SC>Infuriate>SC generates a metric crapton of enmity and doesn't tank your TP in the process (BB>BB>SP>SC generates more than enough to maintain aggro on everything as well). On top of this, if you're using Steel Cyclone, you're still generating Wrath stacks, which means that, if you need to get a quick burst of mitigation, you can still rely on Inner Beast; if you're Overpower spamming, you're sacrificing your tactical options by not generating those Wrath stacks. In addition, if you're using SC, you're pretty much guaranteed to have the Maim buff active (given that you gotta gen Wrath to use SC and Maim is in 2 of your 3 combos) whereas, most of the time, it's unlikely that you'll have it if you're Overpower spamming (due to cost as well as action limitations).

The only time I use Overpower now are when I start a trash fight without Infuriate or 5 stacks of Wrath. Even on AoE damage fights (like p1 and p4 on t4), I avoid Overpower spamming (I'll use it maybe 3-4 times) because I don't want to tank my TP by doing so. I can contribute plenty of damage by using SC and doing so is going to let me continue wailing on targets the entire time rather than having to wait for 30-45 seconds after spamming to get my TP back up to a reasonable level.

Bloodbath should scale off Damage and perhaps add in a % of max health. so it scales with warrior

It does scale with damage. It heals you for 25% of your damage dealt for the duration. Did you even read it?

I just think SE took the band-aid approach to Warrior and really didn't look at the future

I think you just don't know what you're talking about. SEs fixes were amazing and, while they didn't address *everything* that should/could have been addressed (Holmgang still has some issues, Mercy Stroke is still a complete joke, and Foresight could bear some slight buffing), they did enough that WAR is in a *very* healthy state right now and those issues that they "missed" aren't really major concerns (with the possible exception of the bug with Holmgang not preventing forced movement, but that's being fixed).

[SpookyGhost]

I have to laugh at you bringing up Flash, as if there were actually a reason to bring it any more.

Berserk pacification.

[Kitru]

Berserk pacification.

I actually mentioned that in the very next sentence. Might I suggest you read before commenting?

[SpookyGhost]

I actually mentioned that in the very next sentence. Might I suggest you read before commenting?

Well, no, you didnt. "The only reason you ever wanted to use Flash previously was when you needed snap aggro on something because Overpower had a painfully long animation time." was your next sentence, which dooooesn't say anything about Berserk. However, the sentence after that, does. I'm pretty sure the fact that it's a skill you can use during pacification alone should warrant it being an incredibly useful cross class... I'm not sure what you'd want over it. Second Wind for single encounter boss fights, I guess? Any dungeon you're running, Flash is going to be infinitely better than any other skill you could cross class. Dunno why people keep thinking it's useless now.

[Kitru]

Dunno why people keep thinking it's useless now.

Because it is. What use is an ability that generates only enmity and only has value during a 5 second period that occurs, at most, once every 90 seconds. Enmity generation is already pretty much a joke, especially after you've used Berserk, so the only possible time you'd ever see the remotest need for it is if you were bad enough to use your Berserk such that it runs out right before some adds spawn. In any other situation, it's worthless: you don't need the enmity during Pacification at any other time.

Mantra and Awareness are both more useful than Flash since they actually bolster (even if only by a small amount) your survivability rather than redundantly attempting to shore up a tiny portion of an already redundantly effective part of tanking that you'll only ever stumble upon if you're bad. The only possible reason I can see someone thinking that Flash is infinitely better than *anything else* is if they're mortally allergic to not having something to do while they're Pacified.

Flash *used* to be useful (and required in a small number of circumstances) because Overpower was slow as hell. Overpower is no longer slow as hell so Flash lost the one aspect about it that actually made it a desirable CC ability. As it stands, it's just a redundant enmity generator whose only interesting feature is that it can be used while you're Pacified, when you don't even need to be able to generate more enmity. If it did damage, I could see it being useful since you'd actually be contributing something useful while you're Pacified and otherwise contributing nothing, but, since it doesn't, it's worthless.

[Moonwolfthegrey]

Flash *used* to usefull because Overpower was slow as hell. Overpower is no longer slow as hell so Flash lost the one aspect about it that actually made it a desirable CC ability. As it stands, it's just a redundant enmity generator whose only interesting feature is that it can be used while
you're Pacified, when you don't even need to be able to generate more enmity. If it did damage, I could see it being useful since you'd actually be contributing something useful while you're Pacified and otherwise contributing nothing, but, since it doesn't, it's worthless.

Flash I find can be useful in general, specifically in lower level dungeons when tanking multiple mobs of whom all but one are slept, I use flash every now and then when I feel I'm losing hate on the slept mobs around me or if I don't want to use other aoe enmity moves in case I wake the mobs up(OP,SC etc).that way when they do wake up they won't head straight for the healer

[whiskeybravo]

Flash I find can be useful in general, specifically in lower level dungeons when tanking multiple mobs of whom all but one are slept, I use flash every now and then when I feel I'm losing hate on the slept mobs around me or if I don't want to use other aoe enmity moves in case I wake the mobs up(OP,SC etc).that way when they do wake up they won't head straight for the healer

Yea that's the best. Even if blm pulled aggro on sleeping, flash still effects them so they won't wake up and go after him right away.

@Kitru - I've been using Unchained a lot now, almost every time it's available. But never really used it much before, least not that I can remember. Since the Defiance changes opened up using abilities more often, I definitely have been. I was probably one of the few that got excited about SC increasing enmity, since I had actually used it pretty frequently on AK grinds (though, mainly for the self heals with bloodbath XD)