My way to Fix the Markets/Economy

[Xystic]

Ahhh....now there we go, that is what you are asking....You can present gil circulation, below I argued how it is avail, while not in a form that you can grab at a whim, but still information is there for the taking if you should so want.

That's not presenting the information. When we have graduates present their thesis, they do not come up and tell us, Birds fly, the information is out there if you so want it. To support your argument, that's your job to present the information, to lay claim that birds fly or in this case the economy has many underlying problems, you need to present us that information that shows us, the community, your findings are indeed supported. Telling me the information is out there but not telling me what that information indicates the economy is going in is, awkward. Then without even looking or presenting the information, you have concluded, the economy has many underlying problems, with zero evidence and at the same time have proposed ways to address an issue we haven't even confirmed yet.

Which leaves the community at the same spot. We have no evidence currently PRESENTED to prove such claims.

You are defining "Gil in Circulation" as the total gil being spent over whatever time frame you want. You have to include the Fees imposed by SE, since that is money being taken off the table and out of circulation/spent. Money spent on the boards can be likened to a pseudo discretionary funds. You have to pay for repairs (by buying the dark matter or having repair merchant repair it.) You have to pay the tax when you sell stuff on the MBs but you don't have to buy the Rose Gold Ingot that Joe Schmo is selling for 1 gil...

Everything is accounted for in the gil in circulation numbers. It is not at the beginning or initial part of the equation. It is the product of the entire equation. Each one of those factors help determine the product of the equation. If you are failing to see this logic then I feel should not advance this concept any further. This is just the basics and you are struggling to understand that gil in circulation is the product of the entire equation, which means everything has already been factored in. Cause if they weren't, it wouldn't be the gil in circulation.

[Wulfies]

Ok Xystic, here is your post form your link you provided above.

So before I have to repeatedly correct hundreds of posts everyday. Please understand, at the current time, we have no information to prove which way the economy is swinging. The only people who have these numbers are SE.

You are stating that there is NO information to prove which way the economy is going. In my above post, i have shown a way to gather the data you are stating is not avail to everyone. To re-state, all that is needed is to pull the transaction history for all items to see market/economy. This of-course is using your "theory/logic" that the MB is the ONLY indication of the economy

That's not presenting the information. When we have graduates present their thesis, they do not come up and tell us, Birds fly, the information is out there if you so want it. To support your argument, that's your job to present the information, to lay claim that birds fly or in this case the economy has many underlying problems, you need to present us that information that shows us, the community, your findings are indeed supported. Telling me the information is out there but not telling me what that information indicates the economy is going in is, awkward. Then without even looking or presenting the information, you have concluded, the economy has many underlying problems, with zero evidence and at the same time have proposed ways to address an issue we haven't even confirmed yet.

You conveniently left out a big thing in my quote stating that once they unlock/allow XML coding for the UI peopole can write scrips/applets to run this with ease. Unfortunately, I am not that savvy with XML coding. Below is the full quote:

You are right, we as players, do not readily have this information available in an instant, but it is avail through transactional history, its just a pain to gather that type of data in a meaningful fashion. I am sure once they unlock the XML coding we will have people that will try to pull real-time data from the different boards to websites and the likes.

Also, Please note that theory is based on empirical evidence until technology is avail to scientifically prove. Please see example of Marie Curie and her discovery of Radioactive isotopes. That whole putting x-ray plates near radium and noticing "dots" which were the radioactive isotopes that emanated from the radium. See below link from Wikipedia.

Wikipedia Link

As much as I hate using Wikipedia as a source since it is "crowd-sourced" and anyone can edit it, its the best i could find w/o copy pasting pages from Encyclopedia Britannica.

Everything is accounted for in the gil in circulation numbers. It is not at the beginning or initial part of the equation. It is the product of the entire equation. Each one of those factors help determine the product of the equation. If you are failing to see this logic then I feel should not advance this concept any further. This is just the basics and you are struggling to understand that gil in circulation is the product of the entire equation, which means everything has already been factored in. Cause if they weren't, it wouldn't be the gil in circulation.

Please enlighten us with your wonderful equasion which is taking everything into account. Since you are so adamanat that everyone must provide cold hard facts to back-up their claim, please provide yours.

I guess you must have a masters in economics, because all I have are the standard 4 classes I did for my bachelors and no where do I remember where currency circulation is the end-all be-all for economies.

[Xystic]

Please enlighten us with your wonderful equasion which is taking everything into account. Since you are so adamanat that everyone must provide cold hard facts to back-up their claim, please provide yours.

I guess you must have a masters in economics, because all I have are the standard 4 classes I did for my bachelors and no where do I remember where currency circulation is the end-all be-all for economies.

I will enlighten you with your "equasion."

In order to achieve gil in circulation you need gil. No gil, means 0 gil at the end of the formulation.

(Gil Provided by Story) + (Gil Generation Methods) + (-Repairs) + (-Warping Fee) + (-All other assorted Sink Features) + (Gil lost/gain from circulation) + (-FC-lot investments) = Total gil a player has on hand to spend

The cost of any item is less than or equal to that number.

(Cost of item [less then or equal to "Total gil a player has on hand to spend"]) - (MB Fees) = Gil in circulation.

Gil in circulation is influenced heavily by the things you claim are missing.

The total amount of gil a player has can also influence his/her spending, also affecting gil in circulation.

A logical summary of this:

You claim economy is doing bad, so we need changes.

we say, please present the information to support economy is bad, so we can agree with you and look into your changes

You say, it exists but we don't have resources too extrapolate it, but eventually will, but economy is still bad so we need changes.

we go what.... so we are going to follow you on a whim?

I continue to try to explain, we need you to present your evidence, not tell us what or where to find it. My entire thread highl-lights it out to the community. You want to battle one side or the other, present the information we need. Don't tell us to go find it.... Its YOUR ARGUMENT, SUPPORT IT.