Titan Extreme is NOT Fun

[Traek]

Did you just call simple, repetitive, easy mechanics "fun"? This is the root of this issue; for the eleven thousandth time, it's not about hard or not hard, excuses or not excuses. I'm happy people enjoy the fight, enjoy winning it and whatever else the enjoy about it, as that is subjective and not everyone will love everything... but in this thread people have, with a straight face, called this a well-designed fight. That is beyond me.

Nothing against your post in particular even though it is the one I quoted... I picked it for the "people making excuses" line... as stated before, by me and others, even people clearing this fight regularly may not like it.

How is it badly designed? All you have is that its scripted? Considering that a vast majority of everything in this game is scripted, that isn't a real reason to single out Titan EX specifically. If you have an issue overall with "scripted" fights, then you should make a thread more general on scripted fights and talk about it there. Titan EX is a vast improvement upon Titan HM, and is overall one of the more fun fights we have. Do I like fully scripted fights? Not at all actually, but that doesn't make Titan EX a bad fight or *not fun*.

I think SE has a lot of room to improve in the area of "scripted fights", but that is a general beef I have with their end game and I don't mind Titan EX at all.

[Gesser]

Play a different game.

[Peptaru]

How is it badly designed? All you have is that its scripted? Considering that a vast majority of everything in this game is scripted, that isn't a real reason to single out Titan EX specifically. If you have an issue overall with "scripted" fights, then you should make a thread more general on scripted fights and talk about it there. Titan EX is a vast improvement upon Titan HM, and is overall one of the more fun fights we have. Do I like fully scripted fights? Not at all actually, but that doesn't make Titan EX a bad fight or *not fun*.

I think SE has a lot of room to improve in the area of "scripted fights", but that is a general beef I have with their end game and I don't mind Titan EX at all.

I have listed the specific reasons in previous posts, in this very thread if I'm not mistaken, so no. I'm not going to do it again. Read the thread and retain the information that's already been written if you want your voice to have weight.

[gadenp]

How is it badly designed?

Well it is scripted and tuned in such away that you cannot make any mistakes for about 10 minutes. In a PF or DF, it is not possible not to make a mistake. It is also scripted that one mistake is everyone's mistake. And required such accurate positioning that any deviation kills.

And I know, people will ask me to do with FC and/or BcoB group. But that is another issue for me to deal with. Lets just say, it is such that if I want to do Titan I have to use PF or DF. And in PF, all I see is JP Only please. Or for the rare Eng groups, I see LF Completed Only please. And I will not lie to get in.

Basically for me. Titan Ex is either "not that good a" group or ... don't do. It has come to represent all that is bad about FFXIV, in which I categorise players into 2 main groups.
1st Group: Pro(s). Not helpful, Niche, stick together. Do not want to run content with others.
2nd Group: Casual(s). Helpful. Not so Pro. Keep on dying at hard content.

Of cause not all are like that. But it has come to the point that I would pay RMT for 7 good people, that can complete it with me. Somehow that seems easier then my constant begging my FC Pro(s) to help. And my constant begging of my BcoB group to actually do as a group. Both which I have been doing till I have given up. My BcoB group actually has it on schedule.... which somehow cannot fill up compared to BcoB that always fill up.

Thus all in all. Titan is tuned is such away that required a level of cooperation and skill that beyond FFXIV players as a whole. And that is bad game design to me. I am soooo going to get slammed for this :P

[omniwaink]

Sad how you don't make the time to read anything in the post regarding my experience.

I read your first post.

This game heavily relies on Instant Kill Mechanics to make content difficult. Constant dodging is not only trivial, but frustrating when if you screw up one time your done.

Getting hit by landslide in Titan EX (or Titan HM) means you are terrible. Period. It is hands down the easiest mechanic in the encounter to avoid. And plumes are the second easiest thing to dodge in Titan. One shot mechanics are more fun because the stakes are higher and ::gasp:: you actually have to play the game right to win! You want encounters to go the direction of Ifrit EX, where people can continually fail mechanics and there is all the time in the world for resurrections and mana songs to recover.

That isn't fun. That's boring as hell.

[Maye]

Honestly, if an encounter requires : "all 8 members of a full party to play well and avoid dying" -- I'd say it is well tuned. People are still selling carries so the encounter can definitely be completed by 7 members playing to their fullest ability. If a fight is tuned in such a way that people can make mistakes and it is still clearable, then it's either undertuned or intended to be completed by more players.

If you're getting frustrated by random players in duty finder making mistakes and causing wipes, then there's nothing to be done. You have no investment in these people, no desire to help them, no desire to teach them, and no desire to help them improve. You're just going to wipe until you get frustrated, leave, and get new random duty finder people.

Part of the joy of learning encounters like this is learning them as a group. I down T5 on two characters every week in two static groups, and even though I had killed Twintania before either of my static groups did, it still felt so much better to finally do it as a group. We spent hours learning together, and although people learn at different rates, and sometimes we got frustrated over this or that -it paid off, and we finally did it.

EDIT: this is specifically regarding "8 people have to not make mistakes for 10 minutes"

as for Titan itself, without lag I think there is no issue at all with the encounter. It is no doubt exceptionally frustrating for people with high pings though.

[HumsterMKX]

How is it badly designed?
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Irisa where were you yesterday night...

[Goodberry]

Yes, let's nerf the only semi-difficult content in the game so everyone can do it. Because, you know, 2.1 had nothing for casual players.

If Titan extreme isn't "fun" for you, you probably just suck. It's 10x more involved than Garuda and Ifrit XM, which for me = fun.

When I read post like this, I am reminded of why we can't get really good things.

[Goodberry]

Oh please, don't compare a fun boss as first one from WP than a big encounter like titan extreme.

Admit it, or you play with bad players or you are a bad player.

Other option is that you are playing using a toaster as a computer.

Thanks for your compassion and understanding of others' problems. :P

[Axidrain]

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Thus all in all. Titan is tuned is such away that required a level of cooperation and skill that beyond FFXIV players as a whole. And that is bad game design to me. I am soooo going to get slammed for this :P

a lot of people complained how easy this game was. now we have encounters where no one can make a mistake or it'll pretty much end up as a wipe. and its not even part of the main quest. i think its a welcome diversion from the mundane lockouts. forces everyone to step up their game