Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[EasymodeX]

Where the F is EMX?

I was temp banned from the forum until today because I replied to a topic about parsers. Pretty comical.


Updated Stat Weights*:

WD 8.027
STRDEX 1
DTR** 0.209
CRT 0.179
SS 0.158

* Stat weights assessed against a baseline of: WD=46, STR=490, DTR=300, CRT=460, SS=50. If your stat is higher for whatever stat, your value will be lower. If your stat is lower, your value will be higher. No skew / manual bias included for or against DTR or SS.

** As always, no one really knows exactly how DTR works, so this number is flaky. Edit: DTR is probably in the 0.3 range.

Item Budget Weights (DTR weight * 11, CRT and SS weights * 16, which are the equivalent numbers seen on various slots of gear):

DTR 2.28
CRT 2.86
SS 2.55


Based on the above weights***,

*** Removed BiS list until damage formula is more finalized. In all likelihood DTR > CRT > SS.


Top Rotations:

H IDC P TTT H TTT
P IDC H TTT P TTT

TPS 27.6
PPT 4.9
PPS 135.6

HP IDC TTT^

TPS 27.6
PPT 4.9
PPS 133.8

^ This rotation clips CT excessively (4 ticks). If you used a buffed CT do yourself a favor and use the one below for 1 cycle before switching back to this simple one.

HP IDC TTT
HP TTT TTT

TPS 27.6
PPT 4.8
PPS 132.3

Other new (or old) rotations may get good due to the patch changes. Don't stop brainstorming.

Note: Fracture is basically gone. Thrust combo has a higher potency per GCD even without the Disembowel debuff. Demon Wall is HP -> TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT.

Sidenote: This means more Mantra/Bloodbath/whatever. I haven't used Bloodbath in awhile. Yippee.

Other comment: None of the above includes any change to the base potency of Jump. The only impact a confirmation of the "250p Jump" would have is a fringe reduction to the value of SS in the weights. Like -0.005 stat weight or something. Very small.

Updated spreadsheets / model (not entirely user-friendly): http://www.fileswap.com/dl/7KfkfUv6Hf/

[OliverGoon]

Yea I would stick to the standard Phem-TT-VT-LS-FT-PS-Jump. That alone should be enough burst to drop any dps/caster health well below 50%. I dont mess with impulse drive combo unless its my team is gang banging someone. That way you can concentrate more with your directional combos. I personally start off with spineshatter dive. Get that initial stun. Pop your buffs and go into your combo. Weave leg sweep in between your rotation if you have to get another stun in.Works everytime.

basically what i do lol, also, b4b is great, Heavy thrust not so much. Don't waste time HT!

[EasymodeX]

If anyone is interested in my calculations for determining that Skill Speed has the potential to be a better #3 stat than DET and possibly Crit, here is the hard data with summation.

http://www.amongthespheres.com/uploa..._Stat_Calc.xls

Your general mathematical analysis is good, but your general model is off.

1. oGCDs ignore skill speed. Leg Sweep and Jumps are a significant contribution to total DPS and diminish the relative value of SS.

2. Autoattacks ignore skill speed. AAs are a major contribution to total DPS and diminish the relative value of SS a lot.

3. DoTs only gain fringe benefits from SS, if any.


Between those three, roughly 40% of DRG damage ignores skill speed / gains negligible benefits from it. Net result is that SS is significantly less effective compared to its raw effect on the GCD.

All that ignores the practical constraints re: TP and such.

[Ericyu]

basically what i do lol, also, b4b is great, Heavy thrust not so much. Don't waste time HT!

Also before I forget there is a pvp skill called impulse rush that waives positional requirements. I would look into that.

[OliverGoon]

Also before I forget there is a pvp skill called impulse rush that waives positional requirements. I would look into that.

damn howd i miss that. i got weapon throw , im sick of casters running.
I'll find impulse rush more useful in the future with better gear. Also stick to your ilvl 90 equipment. Dont bother 55 crafted for those who are heading into the arena (unless you're a fresh 50)

[mythicrose]

WB EasymodeX.

[AugustusSB]

Does anybody know where I can find the new stats for the Allagan Earrings and Allagan Spear? I'de like to update my db and rerun my numbers with the new weights from EMX ^^

[AugustusSB]

Yes, sorry the numbers i posted from yesterday are off. I didn't know of the updates to the Allagan Spear/Earrings. Trying to find out what the new stats are so i can update my db. Will refrain from posting misleading information until I can verify my db for 2.1

[Jamison]

The loadstone is updated, sorry I don't have direct links for you but here's the top level link:

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...guide/db/item/

Edit:

Also, EasyMode, you are saying that IDC only needs one TTT as a spacer (except when buffed) before IDC becomes the best potency combo again? That seems like a dumbing down of the rotation to me.

[AugustusSB]

Updated my xls DB [Allagan Spear, Allagan Earrings of Maiming, (let me know if there is anything else)]

Using new stat weights from EMX:
WP: 8.027
Str: 1
Det: 0.209
Crit: 0.179
SS: 0.158

My script is giving me the following BiS with a total weight of 651.3 at a desired accuracy of 482.
Weapon: Allagan
Head: Myth
Body: Myth
Hands: Allagan
Legs: Myth
Feet: Myth
Waist: Myth
Necklace: Allagan Maiming
Earring: Myth
Bracelet: Inferno
Ring: Allagan Striking
Ring2: Vortex

This gives, 224 str, 86 det, 97 crit, 93 ss, 142 acc, 180 vit and 47 wp for a total weight of 651.3 (old BiS was 618.092 using previous stat weights from before 2.1)

[EDIT] Please keep in mind this list does not factor in food, for food effects look up EMX's list [EDIT]