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  1. #821
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    Phai's Avatar
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    Phai Mui
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Said this on war thread, and i will sai it her also:

    Good Luck in 2.1, hope its ur time shine
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  2. #822
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    AvonRekaes's Avatar
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    Avon Rekaes
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    Exodus
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    Lancer Lv 50
    Been seeing some chatter about dropping Fracture from the rotation improving DPS. I previously thought the only reason to drop Fracture was to keep the Heavy Thrust buff from falling before you can get Full Thrust out. If you aren't having problems with this, is there still a reason to drop Fracture?
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  3. #823
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    Ayvar Bjornstad
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    Leviathan
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    Scholar Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by AvonRekaes View Post
    Been seeing some chatter about dropping Fracture from the rotation improving DPS. I previously thought the only reason to drop Fracture was to keep the Heavy Thrust buff from falling before you can get Full Thrust out. If you aren't having problems with this, is there still a reason to drop Fracture?
    Everything depends on context of the fight, this is discussed pretty thoroughly throughout the thread and the OP. On a dummy using a Fracture-less rotation will parse slightly higher.
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    Error 3102, 90000, 1017, 2002, 2/3 survivor

  4. #824
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    Erik_the_Dragoon's Avatar
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    Erik Highwind
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    Coeurl
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    Lancer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Swarna View Post
    The value of Skill speed is lower than shown because it does not affect our off-global jumps/leg sweeps at all (while DET and Crit do) which will account for about 16 potency/second in update 2.1.
    Quote Originally Posted by pompey_dan View Post
    If the translated patch notes were correct about buffed DoT's being able to be overwritten then skill speed could become viable but you would also have to take into account the last tick of chaos thrust being wasted which would be -30 potency every 30 seconds.
    Swarna and Pompey_Dan, thank you for your thoughtful and informative responses which have been plenty convincing.

    If you can stack DoT in 2.1 that would be nice!
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  5. #825
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    Augustus Stormborne
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    Lamia
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    Lancer Lv 50
    With the new gear the BiS gear does change, although this change is really minimal.

    Assuming weights are as follows:
    Statistic Weight
    Weapon Damage 7.540
    Strength 1.000
    Determination 0.220
    Critical Hit Rating 0.160
    Skill Speed 0.146

    The new BiS gives the following total weight when all attributes are added from armor alone, 618.176.
    The old BiS gear gave a total weight of the following: 618.092.

    This gives us a 0.01359% increase, really really negligible but here is the list anyway.

    Weapon: Relic+1
    Head: Allagan
    Body: Myth
    Hands: Allagan
    Legs: Allagan
    Feet: Allagan
    Waist: Myth
    Necklace: Allagan Striking
    Earring: Tremor
    Bracelet: Allagan Maiming
    Ring: Allagan Striking
    Ring2: Vortex

    This was calculated with an accuracy requirement of 470. I can calculate at any number if anybody wishes, just let me know. With this setup the differences from old BiS is as follows:
    -gain 8 points of determination
    -lose 5 points of critical hit
    -lose 6 points of skill speed
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  6. #826
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    Raein Tilgung
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    Balmung
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    Relic+1 is still best? Huh.

    I assume the accuracy loss was just really nasty then?
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  7. #827
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    Kicoe Vashai
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    Quote Originally Posted by AugustusSB View Post
    ...With the new gear the BiS gear does change, although this change is really minimal...
    Did you forget the Allagan Polearm buff?
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  8. #828
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    Jsun El
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    Where the F is EMX?
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  9. #829
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    Augustus Stormborne
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    I didn't put that holy lance into my database, didn't think it would affect it, but i can recalculate with it included, will do it tomorrow though. still at work got out of a conference call where i got grilled to no end ha...oh man
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  10. #830
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    Drachnyen Tohka
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    Odin
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    Pugilist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by AugustusSB View Post
    The new BiS gives the following total weight when all attributes are added from armor alone, 618.176.
    The old BiS gear gave a total weight of the following: 618.092.

    This gives us a 0.01359% increase, really really negligible but here is the list anyway.

    Weapon: Relic+1
    Head: Allagan
    Body: Myth
    Hands: Allagan
    Legs: Allagan
    Feet: Allagan
    Waist: Myth
    Necklace: Allagan Striking
    Earring: Tremor
    Bracelet: Allagan Maiming
    Ring: Allagan Striking
    Ring2: Vortex
    Using Ayvar's list I could be wrong but i'm getting 628.862
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