Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[AvonRekaes]

Been seeing some chatter about dropping Fracture from the rotation improving DPS. I previously thought the only reason to drop Fracture was to keep the Heavy Thrust buff from falling before you can get Full Thrust out. If you aren't having problems with this, is there still a reason to drop Fracture?

[Ayvar]

Been seeing some chatter about dropping Fracture from the rotation improving DPS. I previously thought the only reason to drop Fracture was to keep the Heavy Thrust buff from falling before you can get Full Thrust out. If you aren't having problems with this, is there still a reason to drop Fracture?

Everything depends on context of the fight, this is discussed pretty thoroughly throughout the thread and the OP. On a dummy using a Fracture-less rotation will parse slightly higher.

[Tilgung]

Relic+1 is still best? Huh.

I assume the accuracy loss was just really nasty then?

[Ixsiehn]

This is also assuming our stat weights are the same. Our stat weights should be different with the changes, although i doubt itll affect our BiS much (since we dont even have much options to begin with), but that small number change may be the difference between 1 slot being optimized.

[Dervy]

This is BiS. Too lazy to name everything:
http://www.ariyala.com/ffxiv/gear.ht...123.4172697587

Ran both this set vs the set AugustusSB stated in Valkys Damage Returns calculator. Guess who comes on top? You forget how much that extra 1 WD makes an impact.

[PArcher]

This is BiS. Too lazy to name everything:
http://www.ariyala.com/ffxiv/gear.ht...123.4172697587

Ran both this set vs the set AugustusSB stated in Valkys Damage Returns calculator. Guess who comes on top? You forget how much that extra 1 WD makes an impact.

Is the VIT stat correct in that? I ask because when I bring up Highlander, it says that my VIT should be 404...but the difference in VIT between Zenith and Allagan is 4 points, not 14 (my VIT is 390 right now, everything on the left is i90, so the only thing that improves VIT for me is the Spear...which again is only 4 points different)

[rickyguo]

If you're going for the bis gearset with allagan spear but is still currently using the relic+1, then the onion boots is better than the myth boots if we discount accuracy, which we will have an abundance of with the relic+1.

It'll save you some myth until you down t5 and rng your items.

[Ixsiehn]

If you're going for the bis gearset with allagan spear but is still currently using the relic+1, then the onion boots is better than the myth boots if we discount accuracy, which we will have an abundance of with the relic+1.

It'll save you some myth until you down t5 and rng your items.

You overvalue the crit/det combo that CT boots have over myth's higher ilvl (thus more stats and has 3 points of strength). Myth should not be an issue if you are seriously raiding, and in 2.1 the cap rose to 450.

[rickyguo]

You overvalue the crit/det combo that CT boots have over myth's higher ilvl (thus more stats and has 3 points of strength). Myth should not be an issue if you are seriously raiding, and in 2.1 the cap rose to 450.

18str 21 skill speed= 21.066
15str 19crit 9 det= 20.02

according to questionable weight provided in the thread

I misread the str difference as 2 instead of 3 but still it's close enough that I'm not sure spending the myth is worth it since you'll be replacing it with allagan, and myth could be used gearing alts or something.

You're essentially trading 9 det for 21 skill speed, while 21 skill speed is more dps than 9 det, I'm not sure if it's 495 myth worth.

To be fair, you also get 3 vitality tho.

[Ixsiehn]

18str 21 skill speed= 21.066
15str 19crit 9 det= 20.02

according to questionable weight provided in the thread

I misread the str difference as 2 instead of 3 but still it's close enough that I'm not sure spending the myth is worth it since you'll be replacing it with allagan, and myth could be used gearing alts or something.

You're essentially trading 9 det for 21 skill speed, while 21 skill speed is more dps than 9 det, I'm not sure if it's 495 myth worth.

To be fair, you also get 3 vitality tho.

this also highly depends on if you are accuracy capped.

Not to mention, the values are weighted by strength, we arent sure what strength weights as DPS too, the difference might be alot larger than you think =p

Though, im more of a min-maxer, and i have experienced my fair share of wiping at 0.1% back in WoW, so i typically tend to prefer min-maxing wherever possible.