So.. who's leveling a SCH?

[Eriane]

It's not about defending the "gimp" status of the WHM now. It's pointing out that things aren't nearly as bad as WHMs (and you) are making it seem like. Medica II got changed (note I said changed and not really nerfed). It still has it's HoT effect but it got extended over a longer period of time. It does change how a WHM uses the skill but it affects that skill and that skill only.

Here's the key part that everyone seems to be forgetting. NOTHING ELSE ABOUT WHITEMAGE HAS CHANGED. White mages are still going to pour out fatter heals more consistently than SCHs. They're STILL going to raid heal BETTER than SCHs. I'm so sick and tired of WHMs acting like their class got nerfed to the ground when what happened was ONE TINY CHANGE to ONE RAID HEAL. As far as I'm concerned only BRDs and maybe SMNs have a right to be crying rivers of tears.

What you fail to grasp is that sch were fine, borderline better in the first place before changes.
A sch microing the fairy would put many whm to shame in effectiveness in coil. Lest we forget that t5 in particular seems to favor sch mechanics, like lustrate not being affected by healing debuffs. This is not about player skill, it is about the toolkit and mana/threat management.

Now with pet fixes sch is even easier to manage. Whm raid healing is not what was nerfed, the mana efficiency and threat is what took a hit. And both were bad to begin with compared to sch. What was buffed was whm burst aoe healing (which still requires a raid to stack) which isn't even required in turn 1-5.

[Sussie]

Former SCH here, this is a new char and I have just been watching these forums today. Interesting stuff to say the least lol So the people want to play as SCH now. I think it is funny in a way, as someone said SCH are defending the changes to WHM. It doesn't matter now because the SCH will outnumber the WHM. I now feel like WHM is the "cooler healer" because maybe more people will be playing as SCH. I had fun healing but then I wanted to try something new^^

Hopefully the changes won't be as bad as the people think and we can still have fun playing this game!

[Vlady]

Enjoy being a special snowflake then. I hope SE gives white mages the fixes it really needs but a skilled Scholar will always be in demand over the mass reroll crowd so whether or not I am stuck competing with 3 times more of my job I will easily manage to get into most groups I wish.

[Velox]

After weighing all the arguments from varios posters, I think the whole debate can be summed up into 3 simple things.

1. Emnity generation/MP management are key in end-game content
2. WHM have high emnity generation and poor MP managment
3. WHM are inferior end-game healers

I'm not agreeing one way or the other with this, I'm just pointing out the conclusion most arguments are drifting towards here.
I still firmly believe SE should have adjusted SoS or given WHM back some of those MP restoration skills from 1.0. Not like it would hurt the class at all to make them more competitive in Coil.

[Bellybell]

let's see how the now oh-so-long party regeneration will do better or worse
personally, i foresee some situation where SCH can't just leave things alone to WHM to do raid healing, because their raid heals not as good as before

in the end, WHM will still be of use, they can still performs, but that doesn't mean they are not being gimped
just like how the whole world in agreement that SCH better at healing single target, does it mean WHM can't keep a tank up alone in coil? obviously, they can
the status quo between SCH and WHM has obviously been shattered, now that WHM raid healing potential has been brought to on-par if not worse than Eos, only saving grace is they can do it more frequent(i hope no one actually expecting WHM to throw out more MedicaII while HoT still ticking... welp, Medica still there)

[Valesken]

I personally think that WHM/SCH were just fine the way they were in 2.0. I don't understand why SE would go the "flavour of the month" route like Blizzard did with WoW...

I'm a little disappointed here.

I understand the Holy nerf though (but still, I'd like to see SE increase potency against undeads like in XI).

My 2 cents.

[tOnni3]

o/ me lvling SCH but my main is BRD :3

[vpc]

Basically what Valesken, Bellybell and Vlady have said. SCH were superior at tank healing, and WHM were superior at raid healing..they both complemented each other very well and were balanced. No whm should give 2 shits about the holy nerf, its only real use at endgame was T4 and that was if you could spare the mana/had bard playing ballad. NO ONE is calling SCH OP, that is what people are not understanding. They are just now superior at everything. What can WHM bring to the table SCH can't? Traited Stoneskin and Protect? Just invite one, have them buff your party then kick them GG

2.0 had really good synergy between the 2. Now? WHM should consider switching over and learn to play SCH efficiently because there is nothing we can do besides bring people down this patch. They should have left Medica 2 alone.

[Vlady]

Basically what Valesken, Bellybell and Vlady have said. SCH were superior at tank healing, and WHM were superior at raid healing..they both complemented each other very well and were balanced. No whm should give 2 shits about the holy nerf, its only real use at endgame was T4 and that was if you could spare the mana/had bard playing ballad. NO ONE is calling SCH OP, that is what people are not understanding. They are just now superior at everything. What can WHM bring to the table SCH can't? Traited Stoneskin and Protect? Just invite one, have them buff your party then kick them GG

2.0 had really good synergy between the 2. Now? WHM should consider switching over and learn to play SCH efficiently because there is nothing we can do besides bring people down this patch. They should have left Medica 2 alone.

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I agree with you for the most part but if you had a good warrior a white mage was actually a better healer then scholar with proper rotation of Stoneskin. But with the changes to warriors and the boost to lustrate that may no longer be the case.

[vpc]

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I agree with you for the most part but if you had a good warrior a white mage was actually a better healer then scholar with proper rotation of Stoneskin. But with the changes to warriors and the boost to lustrate that may no longer be the case.

Yeah SS on Warriors was much more efficient than a heal at times, however good Warriors were few and far between on Leviathan. Most of them had switched over to PLD for fear of not being invited to coil (even though if you were a good WAR it wouldn't make that much difference) so I've really only been able to deal with Paladins at end game As you said though, will no longer even be debatable.