Please fix marauder

[Duelle]

You're now trying to derail the thread. Go make a thread about hybrids and I'll gladly debate the issue with you. In the general forums. Not here.

Again, you seem to be utterly incapable of understanding that you can have a job/class with more than one role depending on how it is set up. The line separating a tank MRD from a DPS MRD could be as simple as job traits, job abilities and gear, while still keeping both acceptable in party content.

[Vackashken]

You're now trying to derail the thread. Go make a thread about hybrids and I'll gladly debate the issue with you. In the general forums. Not here.

Again, you seem to be utterly incapable of understanding that you can have a job/class with more than one role depending on how it is set up. The line separating a tank MRD from a DPS MRD could be as simple as job traits, job abilities and gear, while still keeping both acceptable in party content.

Ah, I see peregrine has polluted the mrd forums with his tripe. Honestly, the best thing to do is simply ignore his BS and continue on with what you're talking about amongst your fellow mrds. He is an A-class troll and just likes to read what he says rather then anything else.

[zaviermhigo]

I agree 100% with the op. I play as a thm, and i have archer friends and we are aware the classes shine through more so than others, but I don't necessarily agree with gimping thm and archer just because of that, the other classes should become stronger. I think its not arc and thm fault its the game devs fault for not balancing classes as much. I mean look at lnc, why level lnc? no reason right? its a effing paper dd. Make lancer less paper so it can take hits sometimes. not as much as a gla but I just don't believe that lnc's should be paper, I as a mage die less than my lnc friend. it might be def i have no clue. Mrd needs to be beefed up its supposed to be the new drk but it is worse than drk now at this point.

[Vackashken]

I agree 100% with the op. I play as a thm, and i have archer friends and we are aware the classes shine through more so than others, but I don't necessarily agree with gimping thm and archer just because of that, the other classes should become stronger. I think its not arc and thm fault its the game devs fault for not balancing classes as much. I mean look at lnc, why level lnc? no reason right? its a effing paper dd. Make lancer less paper so it can take hits sometimes. not as much as a gla but I just don't believe that lnc's should be paper, I as a mage die less than my lnc friend. it might be def i have no clue. Mrd needs to be beefed up its supposed to be the new drk but it is worse than drk now at this point.

Cant say I agree with that - thm is ridiculous right now. It needs toning down while mrd regardless needs toning up.

[zaviermhigo]

Well I doubt FF will ever tone down mages that much, at its core is the idea of a mage doing massive damage, and DOTS have always been awesome no matter, the risk right now is effed up. We used to pull risk of hate, and in this game I either don't pull hate ever cause my GLA is so good, or in some glitch of fate I pull all the hate in the world and die for no reason having not casted a spell :/. But seriously should THM be able to solo dodore, probably not rdm could solo sub nin in ffxi but that still took skill and a little time. Did they need to gimp nms when people were already soloing them (conj can solo nms too just not all of them you can look up vids.) I think half the problem is the classes aren't beefed up (minus thm gla arc and sometimes conj), and then on top of that the mobs aren't beefed up and they gimp the mobs that are beefy . A stupid range and a killer tp attack on mobs is not challenged :/

[Vackashken]

Well I doubt FF will ever tone down mages that much, at its core is the idea of a mage doing massive damage, and DOTS have always been awesome no matter, the risk right now is effed up. We used to pull risk of hate, and in this game I either don't pull hate ever cause my GLA is so good, or in some glitch of fate I pull all the hate in the world and die for no reason having not casted a spell :/. But seriously should THM be able to solo dodore, probably not rdm could solo sub nin in ffxi but that still took skill and a little time. Did they need to gimp nms when people were already soloing them (conj can solo nms too just not all of them you can look up vids.) I think half the problem is the classes aren't beefed up (minus thm gla arc and sometimes conj), and then on top of that the mobs aren't beefed up and they gimp the mobs that are beefy . A stupid range and a killer tp attack on mobs is not challenged :/

I'm not implying that that mages need to be toned down universally. However, thm does astronomical damage and has insane survivability. Immulate needs to be toned down - its far too broken. I honestly can't see how this could be argued (from my point of view). Beefing up other classes would mean they'd have to give everyone a universal get out of jail free card like that skill and top them off with excellent healing. If every class was beefed up with the tools thm had (or anything relative) it would be a very boring game.

That said I feel like we're kinda derailing the mrd thread.

[Radaghast]

They'll probably just do the same knee jerk reaction and up 2 hander damage.

[Roaran]

If every class should be buffed to THM level, then are you suggesting every class should be able to solo all the content available?

[Peregrine]

You're now trying to derail the thread. Go make a thread about hybrids and I'll gladly debate the issue with you. In the general forums. Not here.

Again, you seem to be utterly incapable of understanding that you can have a job/class with more than one role depending on how it is set up. The line separating a tank MRD from a DPS MRD could be as simple as job traits, job abilities and gear, while still keeping both acceptable in party content.

I'm not trying to derail the thread. Marauder is a poorly designed, gimp class right now. that is the thread. If you're some sort of marauder apologist, you're derailing it with your bunk. Mediocre tank. Mediocre DD. Mediocre CC. That's marauder--a waste of a party spot because they're bad at everything.

It's a worse fate to be poorly designed for what you're SUPPOSED to be doing than to never be designed to do it at all. That is marauder. Laughably below average at everything they were designed to do.

You're incapable of understanding that you can try to design marauder for these roles all you want and you. Will. Fail. This is what happens when you get stuck trying to make a dd that can tank and start trying to flail around the word "situational" which really means "I can make **** up in my head and pretend I'm useful."

marauder is of no use to any group right now, considering any role they could situationally fill, there is already someone or a combination better at it than they and any combination.

marauder makes teams weaker.

[Peregrine]

Ah, I see peregrine has polluted the mrd forums with his tripe. Honestly, the best thing to do is simply ignore his BS and continue on with what you're talking about amongst your fellow mrds. He is an A-class troll and just likes to read what he says rather then anything else.

Your A-class mrds are trying to paint lipstick on a pig and will be sitting in town if they don't start paying attention. Stop bragging about how poorly their job is designed. You're not going to fool anyone when a hint of stress hits this system. This continued posture is going to make people laugh at you.

Maruader is a lol class waiting for the inevitable. Period.

So will pugs, by the way. You have no use either when the system gets stressed. You're 70% of an archer, and 50% of a gladiator. Evasion tank my ass, you're a blood tank with piss-poor evasion abilities that are of no legitimate advantage, with poor gear.

At least the lancer has haste.