Summoner got destroyed this patch

[Madoka]

I'm going to leave Thunder on my hotbar until the day it lights up again

[Viridiana]

I'm going to leave Thunder on my hotbar until the day it lights up again

I would laugh, but then I remember that even with Thunder, SMN gets shafted for cross-class.

[Kuroyasha]

The virus nerf hits BLM/WHM with their inferior cross class Virus harder than it does the arcanists.

Yea I'll probably just leave virus alone now. Oh well.

I'm going to leave Thunder on my hotbar until the day it lights up again

The power of hope xD

[Xaosyn]

I wish they would at least explain the reasoning behind all this.
Nerfing is a thing but they shouldn't make our gameplay more boring.
And what's the point of changing the boots stats?
I love this class and I don't want to play something else but it's really worrying to see such poorly made decisions.
The fact that they just threw all this in our faces 2 days before the patch didn't help either.
I feel like they don't give a crap about summoners.

[xardus]

So, out of curiosity, I went and tested the nerf. Since damage values on ruin aren't changed, this was actually simple. I timed how long it took to cast thunder and the effect's duration. I then cast thunder on a target and spammed ruin until thunder ran out. On the second target, I simply spammed ruin for the same duration (yes, including the time it takes to cast thunder). I did this 100 times to make sure I had a decently sized test pool. Here is a screenshot of the typical difference of damage. The target on the right is the thunder + ruin target. Target on the left is ruin only for the same duration:

So , yeah. So much for SPAM RUIN MOAR. Keep in mind that's 20.42 seconds (give or take a half a second of human reaction time) of damage. Imagine a Titan HM, or coil bosses, and the amount of damage loss is staggering.

its a quiet small difference but there is! in a normal boss fight u have to refresh ur rotation about 6 or 7 times,so this difference as to multiplyed by that number...and yes its a big difference now

[Shamirah]

<3 Kevee <3 Pandabearcat <3

Love you.

Edit : <3 EasymodeX <3 but he/she does not seem to be around anymore

[Alice_89th]

I am more sad about losing thunder because I liked keeping up my dot rotations than about any dps loss.

It is just that I think Thunder suits the Summoner class better as it is a DoT heavy class. Blizzard just seems... out of place.

[BlueMage]

I am more sad about losing thunder because I liked keeping up my dot rotations than about any dps loss.

It is just that I think Thunder suits the Summoner class better as it is a DoT heavy class. Blizzard just seems... out of place.

SE apparently thought SMN's single target damage was too high, and thought SMN needed an AOE nuke/filler.

Getting rid of Thunder is still lame, as I don't think SMN has enough DOTs or enough to do, but then I really hate using Filler-- I mean, Ruin.

The class will be fine, DPS-wise. Its not gonna go from best to worst, desireable to undesireable, over Thunder, like some people are overreacting. Its gonna be just a bit more boring though.

[OmegaNovaios]

On average you can use 1 stack of Aetherflow per rotation and you can use Ruin/Ruin II about 3 times between DOTs every rotation. Pet Potency doesn't work exactly when compared to Character Potency DMG isn't so easy to calculate. For example Garuda's 100 Potency attack is about 70% stronger than Ifrit's 120 Potency Attack (not including Ifrit's Auto-Attack). However Ifrit's 120 Potency Attack + Auto-Attack = Garuda's 100 Potency Attack (no Auto-Attack available).

Bio: Potency 40/tick Duration 18s (6 ticks) Total Potency = 240
Miasma: Potency 20 + Potency 35/tick Duration 24s (8 ticks) Total Potency = 300
Bio II: Potency 35/tick Duration 30s (10 ticks) Total Potency = 350
Thunder: Potency 30 + Potency 35/tick Duration 18s (6 ticks) Total Potency = 240
Shadow Flare: Potency 25/tick Duration 30s (10 ticks) Total Potency = 250

Energy Drain: Potency 150
Fester: Potency 300 (max)
Ruin/RuinII x3 (w/Thunder) and x4 (w/o Thunder): Potency 240 and 320

[OmegaNovaios]

Pet does about 1/3 of TOTAL SMN DPS so:
Character DMG/2 = Pet Damage on AVG
Total CHARACTER DMG thus far w/Thunder and Fester =1,920
Total CHARACTER DMG thus far w/o Thunder and including Fester =1,760
1,920/2 = 960
TOTAL SMN DMG = 2,880 Potency and 2,720 Potency
2,880/2,720 = 94.4% OR a loss of 5.6% in TOTAL SMN Single Target DMG/DPS