so i was wondering about Whm and WP

[HoroBoro]

This makes no sense - how does a ton even kill a cleric? He'd have to stab the cleric like 10 times. And no one saw the ton attacking the cleric? And the cleric didn't heal himself?

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[LiadansWhisper]

This makes no sense - how does a ton even kill a cleric? He'd have to stab the cleric like 10 times. And no one saw the ton attacking the cleric? And the cleric didn't heal himself?

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As has been explained, this is on the Tonberry King encounter. If the little Tonberries aggro on you from more than a few feet away, they immediately cast a high-damage spell that also puts a slow on you (I forget the name of it). I've seen it two shot people before (i.e. more than one tonberry aggros on the healer, they suddenly drop dead). We are not talking about the trash Tonberries, or even the Stalkers.

[HoroBoro]

As has been explained, this is on the Tonberry King encounter. If the little Tonberries aggro on you from more than a few feet away, they immediately cast a high-damage spell that also puts a slow on you (I forget the name of it). I've seen it two shot people before (i.e. more than one tonberry aggros on the healer, they suddenly drop dead). We are not talking about the trash Tonberries, or even the Stalkers.

Yes I meant the little tons. The normal tons (and big tons), I can understand as it does a lot of damage and can interrupt your spells.

The little ones die in ~1 holy, deal very little damage (unless 5 of them are attacking you at once or something) and don't even attack you unless you attack them. I have never even seen them cast their nuke twice. In fact - I always holy the tons on that fight (so our dps can concentrate on the boss and we can down it faster) and I have never even been brought down to below... oh... 100%.

The only time they use grudge is if you kite it - and there's no point to given that you're
1. healing
2. can 1/2 shot with holy (you don't even have to aim)

I cannot imagine how 1 little ton can kill you, unless you attack it, and then your whole party, including yourself, afks. At level 50 - you get killed by a mob you can 2 shot? And if the healer was healing the whole time, how did the ton get on him?

What the op describes is impossible, unless the game got glitched somehow. I swear every time I step into the forums, it's like I'm going into the twilight zone.

[LiadansWhisper]

Yes I meant the little tons. The normal tons (and big tons), I can understand as it does a lot of damage and can interrupt your spells.

The little ones die in ~1 holy, deal very little damage (unless 5 of them are attacking you at once or something) and don't even attack you unless you attack them. I have never even seen them cast their nuke twice. In fact - I always holy the tons on that fight (so our dps can concentrate on the boss and we can down it faster) and I have never even been brought down to below... oh... 100%.

Yes, but what you're forgetting is that they only cast their grudge attack if they are nowhere near you. i.e. they aggro coming in/you are not up on King Tonberry's butt.

You can't Holy something across the damn room.

The only time they use grudge is if you kite it

This is simply not true. If they are too far away from you when they shift their attention to you, they will immediately cast the grudge attack. I've seen it happen many times (and it's one of the reasons why I no longer play WHM in WP).

- and there's no point to given that you're
1. healing

Except the attack does enough damage to interrupt you, especially if more than one hits you (or you just get unlucky).

2. can 1/2 shot with holy (you don't even have to aim)

Except that they're across the room if they're casting grudge, which means that not only can you not hit them with Holy, but because they put a slow debuff on you, you can't even run over to cast it on them.

I cannot imagine how 1 little ton can kill you, unless you attack it, and then your whole party, including yourself, afks. At level 50 - you get killed by a mob you can 2 shot? And if the healer was healing the whole time, how did the ton get on him?

1) It was probably more than 1 Tonberry, and I suspect the OP is leaving several things out.
2) Healing produces threat, in case you didn't know. You can easily pull threat as a White Mage on that fight if everyone is ignoring the Tonberry Adds (including the tank). You can also pull threat as they are coming in to the tank if the tank takes Tonberry King's Everybody's Grudge while they're still moving towards him. i.e. They have just spawned, you drop a bombing heal on the tank, and suddenly they all come for you. And yes, I have seen this happen, and yes, it can kill you within 1-2 seconds.

What the op describes is impossible, unless the game got glitched somehow. I swear every time I step into the forums, it's like I'm going into the twilight zone.

The OP is rather obviously leaving information out.

[HoroBoro]

Interesting stuffs

Hmm - I literally do not remember the last time I was grudged in that fight. I did remember I was BLM 2-shotting them from across the room without getting grudged a while back. I assume that they grudge you if you're really far away, and then also move. Maybe not - I can't say I was ever baiting for it.

Also - I'm pretty sure the little tons are on a separate aggro table from normal mobs as I've never had them aggro me as WHM (unless I was Holying them in which case they were dead). I dk - maybe it's cause I'm in cleric stance casting Holy/Aero/Stoneskin/Regen the whole fight, and thus not generating very much hate.

[LiadansWhisper]

Hmm - I literally do not remember the last time I was grudged in that fight. I did remember I was BLM 2-shotting them from across the room without getting grudged a while back. I assume that they grudge you if you're really far away, and then also move. Maybe not - I can't say I was ever baiting for it.

I've seen it happen if I was on the outer edge of the circle, and they were by the boss. It's not consistent, and what they judge as "ranged" seems to vary. I've seen a Bard, for instance, kite them around the room and never have them cast it once. But I've had tonberries by the boss (with the tank not AoE tanking and no AoE going out from the DPS) suddenly turn and cast grudge at me standing just inside the watery area to the left of the boss (facing from the door, mind you). I still really think the OP is leaving stuff out.

Also - I'm pretty sure the little tons are on a separate aggro table from normal mobs as I've never had them aggro me as WHM (unless I was Holying them in which case they were dead). I dk - maybe it's cause I'm in cleric stance casting Holy/Aero/Stoneskin/Regen the whole fight, and thus not generating very much hate.

They build threat just like anything else. However, Regen isn't going to pull them off a tank AoE tanking, and neither is Stoneskin. A crit Cure II on a tank that just took a grudge will, however, get their attention (especially if, for whatever reason, the tank goes down very low and you have to cast two in a row). It's less of an issue now with geared tanks/tanks that know what their buttons do, but you do still see it from time to time with inexperienced tanks (regardless of gear, really, since there's a lot of people out there with Relics that have little to no experience with their class) or if, as happened to my group earlier (I wasn't healing, lol), our tank DC'd. >.>