so i was wondering about Whm and WP

[LiadansWhisper]

This makes no sense - how does a ton even kill a cleric? He'd have to stab the cleric like 10 times. And no one saw the ton attacking the cleric? And the cleric didn't heal himself?

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As has been explained, this is on the Tonberry King encounter. If the little Tonberries aggro on you from more than a few feet away, they immediately cast a high-damage spell that also puts a slow on you (I forget the name of it). I've seen it two shot people before (i.e. more than one tonberry aggros on the healer, they suddenly drop dead). We are not talking about the trash Tonberries, or even the Stalkers.

[HoroBoro]

As has been explained, this is on the Tonberry King encounter. If the little Tonberries aggro on you from more than a few feet away, they immediately cast a high-damage spell that also puts a slow on you (I forget the name of it). I've seen it two shot people before (i.e. more than one tonberry aggros on the healer, they suddenly drop dead). We are not talking about the trash Tonberries, or even the Stalkers.

Yes I meant the little tons. The normal tons (and big tons), I can understand as it does a lot of damage and can interrupt your spells.

The little ones die in ~1 holy, deal very little damage (unless 5 of them are attacking you at once or something) and don't even attack you unless you attack them. I have never even seen them cast their nuke twice. In fact - I always holy the tons on that fight (so our dps can concentrate on the boss and we can down it faster) and I have never even been brought down to below... oh... 100%.

The only time they use grudge is if you kite it - and there's no point to given that you're
1. healing
2. can 1/2 shot with holy (you don't even have to aim)

I cannot imagine how 1 little ton can kill you, unless you attack it, and then your whole party, including yourself, afks. At level 50 - you get killed by a mob you can 2 shot? And if the healer was healing the whole time, how did the ton get on him?

What the op describes is impossible, unless the game got glitched somehow. I swear every time I step into the forums, it's like I'm going into the twilight zone.

[LiadansWhisper]

Yes I meant the little tons. The normal tons (and big tons), I can understand as it does a lot of damage and can interrupt your spells.

The little ones die in ~1 holy, deal very little damage (unless 5 of them are attacking you at once or something) and don't even attack you unless you attack them. I have never even seen them cast their nuke twice. In fact - I always holy the tons on that fight (so our dps can concentrate on the boss and we can down it faster) and I have never even been brought down to below... oh... 100%.

Yes, but what you're forgetting is that they only cast their grudge attack if they are nowhere near you. i.e. they aggro coming in/you are not up on King Tonberry's butt.

You can't Holy something across the damn room.

The only time they use grudge is if you kite it

This is simply not true. If they are too far away from you when they shift their attention to you, they will immediately cast the grudge attack. I've seen it happen many times (and it's one of the reasons why I no longer play WHM in WP).

- and there's no point to given that you're
1. healing

Except the attack does enough damage to interrupt you, especially if more than one hits you (or you just get unlucky).

2. can 1/2 shot with holy (you don't even have to aim)

Except that they're across the room if they're casting grudge, which means that not only can you not hit them with Holy, but because they put a slow debuff on you, you can't even run over to cast it on them.

I cannot imagine how 1 little ton can kill you, unless you attack it, and then your whole party, including yourself, afks. At level 50 - you get killed by a mob you can 2 shot? And if the healer was healing the whole time, how did the ton get on him?

1) It was probably more than 1 Tonberry, and I suspect the OP is leaving several things out.
2) Healing produces threat, in case you didn't know. You can easily pull threat as a White Mage on that fight if everyone is ignoring the Tonberry Adds (including the tank). You can also pull threat as they are coming in to the tank if the tank takes Tonberry King's Everybody's Grudge while they're still moving towards him. i.e. They have just spawned, you drop a bombing heal on the tank, and suddenly they all come for you. And yes, I have seen this happen, and yes, it can kill you within 1-2 seconds.

What the op describes is impossible, unless the game got glitched somehow. I swear every time I step into the forums, it's like I'm going into the twilight zone.

The OP is rather obviously leaving information out.

[HoroBoro]

Interesting stuffs

Hmm - I literally do not remember the last time I was grudged in that fight. I did remember I was BLM 2-shotting them from across the room without getting grudged a while back. I assume that they grudge you if you're really far away, and then also move. Maybe not - I can't say I was ever baiting for it.

Also - I'm pretty sure the little tons are on a separate aggro table from normal mobs as I've never had them aggro me as WHM (unless I was Holying them in which case they were dead). I dk - maybe it's cause I'm in cleric stance casting Holy/Aero/Stoneskin/Regen the whole fight, and thus not generating very much hate.

[Estellios]

Since it was brought up, yes you can sleep the add tonberries in the fight with the King. I always do it with that last wave of like 7 tonberries just so we don't have to deal with stacks or anything.

And any healer geared enough for a speed run dying to one add on them has no excuse. Nut up, Cleric Stance, and kill the damn thing. Your tank is not going to die from after-grudge hits if you have Regen on them.

[Tlamila]

First of all, I agree with all LiadansWhisper said.

Now to me, it's not so much about why wasn't that whm able to save himself, but on why it happened. In my experience, if I get the littles on me it's because DPS is screwing up bigtime. Yes you could maybe save the situation from someone's fails, but sure blaming someone for not doing that is crazy imho. Yes, an healer can do more then just heal, but if the DPS doesn't even bother dpsing, why should you?

[Devaking55]

but if the DPS doesn't even bother dpsing, why should you?

I'm not going to stop dpsing the boss to kill one derpberry that a relic whm can kill in one shot. Yes it's my job to kill stuff but I have a head on my shoulders and I carry my own weight, if your bad and can't do that there's no problem, just don't complain about it. And shame on you liadanswhisper, you should know better

[LiadansWhisper]

I'm not going to stop dpsing the boss to kill one derpberry that a relic whm can kill in one shot. Yes it's my job to kill stuff but I have a head on my shoulders and I carry my own weight, if your bad and can't do that there's no problem, just don't complain about it. And shame on you liadanswhisper, you should know better

Nope. Shame on you for coming in here and trying to justify being a jerk in a dungeon and letting the healer die.

[YuiSasaki]

Nope. Shame on you for coming in here and trying to justify being a jerk in a dungeon and letting the healer die.

Shame on the WHM who cant heal against 200 dmg / hit O.o.

If you move away from the boss as a tank you get a 4k hit which is quite more fatal than 1 tonberry.

[LiadansWhisper]

Shame on the WHM who cant heal against 200 dmg / hit O.o.

If you move away from the boss as a tank you get a 4k hit which is quite more fatal than 1 tonberry.

The Grudge attack by the Tonberries does significantly more than 200. You can stand there and get stabbed by the little guys for like, a minute before you drop. The only way the OP makes sense is if the WHM was getting hit with Grudge, as I've explained multiple times but you apparently couldn't be arsed to read.

It also depends on the jobs you have in your party, last few SR i did, i just ask everyone aoe the tons when they are close to the king, otherwise just focus on the king, and it works out pretty well.

A lot of people do that, or just ignore the little adds and burn the boss as quickly as possible. The only time there is an issue is if the tank isn't AoE tanking to keep the little guys on him. If he is, it's normally fine. But if he also ignores the little guys, they will aggro on the healer very quickly. And if the healer isn't right on Tonberry's butt (which is quite common), they start casting grudge. All it takes is 2-3 of them on the healer at the same time and the healer will likely drop in 2-3 seconds.