so i was wondering about Whm and WP

[Aphrini]

Hmmm if it is Ton King that is different, if it was just normal trash pull that is what I was referencing

[Euphe]

This is for the original poster. As WHM on tonberry king I usually can just cast SS+Regen on the tank then dps the rest of the time. I only stop when the tank takes the massive hit and I have to heal them back up. Then I just rinse repeat with SS+Regen and resume dpsing. If a tonberry waddles my way a quick Aero 1+2 combo followed by a Fluid Aura to push him back will usually sink him. Sometimes I even enjoy standing behind tonberry king and using Holy on the little guys, but I can't do it for very long without going oom lol. As for the WHM you are speaking of he just sounds like an immature player who is incapable of thinking beyond himself (thusly why would you roll a healer?). WHM have the tools to take care of themselves especially in very mild situations like that so I'd just laugh his failure off and move on. There's better things you could worry about after all.

[Jarlax]

This is for the original poster. As WHM on tonberry king I usually can just cast SS+Regen on the tank then dps the rest of the time. I only stop when the tank takes the massive hit and I have to heal them back up. Then I just rinse repeat with SS+Regen and resume dpsing. If a tonberry waddles my way a quick Aero 1+2 combo followed by a Fluid Aura to push him back will usually sink him. Sometimes I even enjoy standing behind tonberry king and using Holy on the little guys, but I can't do it for very long without going oom lol. As for the WHM you are speaking of he just sounds like an immature player who is incapable of thinking beyond himself (thusly why would you roll a healer?). WHM have the tools to take care of themselves especially in very mild situations like that so I'd just laugh his failure off and move on. There's better things you could worry about after all.

I would have to agree with the above poster, and to not attempt to help yourself is just bad and fail. Even if I had no clue they had low health, and hit moderately weak, I still would have ran to the tank and stood behind the boss praying the tank pick it up, this is a minimum. A player that hasn't fated to 50 would also know about fluid aura at least and knock the mob into the tank or "at least try". Sounds like you got a lower skilled healer 8(

[Devaking55]

I would have to agree with the above poster, and to not attempt to help yourself is just bad and fail. Even if I had no clue they had low health, and hit moderately weak, I still would have ran to the tank and stood behind the boss praying the tank pick it up, this is a minimum. A player that hasn't fated to 50 would also know about fluid aura at least and knock the mob into the tank or "at least try". Sounds like you got a lower skilled healer 8(

lowered skill healer with relics.... people should stop advertising titan runs. FCs should stop running ppl through titan if they cant make it to phase 5. lol as a scholar i know i wouldnt die to a single derpberry and if i did id keep quiet about it.

thats just embarrassing.

[LiadansWhisper]

lowered skill healer with relics.... people should stop advertising titan runs. FCs should stop running ppl through titan if they cant make it to phase 5. lol as a scholar i know i wouldnt die to a single derpberry and if i did id keep quiet about it.

thats just embarrassing.

You wouldn't get threat in the first place. They would go to your fairy before they ever went to you. It's really not the same thing. But it's cute, I guess, to put down other players because you didn't do your job.

[HoroBoro]

This makes no sense - how does a ton even kill a cleric? He'd have to stab the cleric like 10 times. And no one saw the ton attacking the cleric? And the cleric didn't heal himself?

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[LiadansWhisper]

This makes no sense - how does a ton even kill a cleric? He'd have to stab the cleric like 10 times. And no one saw the ton attacking the cleric? And the cleric didn't heal himself?

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As has been explained, this is on the Tonberry King encounter. If the little Tonberries aggro on you from more than a few feet away, they immediately cast a high-damage spell that also puts a slow on you (I forget the name of it). I've seen it two shot people before (i.e. more than one tonberry aggros on the healer, they suddenly drop dead). We are not talking about the trash Tonberries, or even the Stalkers.

[HoroBoro]

As has been explained, this is on the Tonberry King encounter. If the little Tonberries aggro on you from more than a few feet away, they immediately cast a high-damage spell that also puts a slow on you (I forget the name of it). I've seen it two shot people before (i.e. more than one tonberry aggros on the healer, they suddenly drop dead). We are not talking about the trash Tonberries, or even the Stalkers.

Yes I meant the little tons. The normal tons (and big tons), I can understand as it does a lot of damage and can interrupt your spells.

The little ones die in ~1 holy, deal very little damage (unless 5 of them are attacking you at once or something) and don't even attack you unless you attack them. I have never even seen them cast their nuke twice. In fact - I always holy the tons on that fight (so our dps can concentrate on the boss and we can down it faster) and I have never even been brought down to below... oh... 100%.

The only time they use grudge is if you kite it - and there's no point to given that you're
1. healing
2. can 1/2 shot with holy (you don't even have to aim)

I cannot imagine how 1 little ton can kill you, unless you attack it, and then your whole party, including yourself, afks. At level 50 - you get killed by a mob you can 2 shot? And if the healer was healing the whole time, how did the ton get on him?

What the op describes is impossible, unless the game got glitched somehow. I swear every time I step into the forums, it's like I'm going into the twilight zone.

[LiadansWhisper]

Yes I meant the little tons. The normal tons (and big tons), I can understand as it does a lot of damage and can interrupt your spells.

The little ones die in ~1 holy, deal very little damage (unless 5 of them are attacking you at once or something) and don't even attack you unless you attack them. I have never even seen them cast their nuke twice. In fact - I always holy the tons on that fight (so our dps can concentrate on the boss and we can down it faster) and I have never even been brought down to below... oh... 100%.

Yes, but what you're forgetting is that they only cast their grudge attack if they are nowhere near you. i.e. they aggro coming in/you are not up on King Tonberry's butt.

You can't Holy something across the damn room.

The only time they use grudge is if you kite it

This is simply not true. If they are too far away from you when they shift their attention to you, they will immediately cast the grudge attack. I've seen it happen many times (and it's one of the reasons why I no longer play WHM in WP).

- and there's no point to given that you're
1. healing

Except the attack does enough damage to interrupt you, especially if more than one hits you (or you just get unlucky).

2. can 1/2 shot with holy (you don't even have to aim)

Except that they're across the room if they're casting grudge, which means that not only can you not hit them with Holy, but because they put a slow debuff on you, you can't even run over to cast it on them.

I cannot imagine how 1 little ton can kill you, unless you attack it, and then your whole party, including yourself, afks. At level 50 - you get killed by a mob you can 2 shot? And if the healer was healing the whole time, how did the ton get on him?

1) It was probably more than 1 Tonberry, and I suspect the OP is leaving several things out.
2) Healing produces threat, in case you didn't know. You can easily pull threat as a White Mage on that fight if everyone is ignoring the Tonberry Adds (including the tank). You can also pull threat as they are coming in to the tank if the tank takes Tonberry King's Everybody's Grudge while they're still moving towards him. i.e. They have just spawned, you drop a bombing heal on the tank, and suddenly they all come for you. And yes, I have seen this happen, and yes, it can kill you within 1-2 seconds.

What the op describes is impossible, unless the game got glitched somehow. I swear every time I step into the forums, it's like I'm going into the twilight zone.

The OP is rather obviously leaving information out.

[Estellios]

Since it was brought up, yes you can sleep the add tonberries in the fight with the King. I always do it with that last wave of like 7 tonberries just so we don't have to deal with stacks or anything.

And any healer geared enough for a speed run dying to one add on them has no excuse. Nut up, Cleric Stance, and kill the damn thing. Your tank is not going to die from after-grudge hits if you have Regen on them.