so i was wondering about Whm and WP

[Devaking55]

was on tonberry king in a wp speed run, and the whm was apparently being attacked by 1 tonberry... then died. I asked him why he didnt just clerics stance and dps it down?

he proceeded to flip, saying its the dps' job to kill mobs attacking the healer...which i dont agree with, but under normal circumstances i wouldnt mind. In this particular circumstance i dont think the dps should stop dpsing the boss to kill one mob that a healer can kill in 1 or 2 cast. C'mon if you let yourself get owned by a derpberry you shouldnt throw a tantrum right?

does this kind of thing happen to people often? just wondering

[Aphrini]

No...it doesn't umm, Push them away with our water spell and put them to sleep. WTF? died off one Tonberry...

[Brady672]

I've personally never even been attacked by a to berry in that fight, so I can't say anything from experience.

However, my answer to your question is based off of the situation at the moment. I have three answers.

1. If the tank has full/near full Hp, and mp is not an issue, AND you don't have any AoE, don't be afraid to Swiftcast/Holy a bit. However, this may cause more tonberries to attack you, leading to a slippery slope.

2. If the tank has full/near full Hp, and mp IS an issue OR you have good AoE, run into the center stack and have the the AoE to kill it and keep up with the tank.

3. If the tank has less than half Hp (around 1/4 left really), it's up to the Dps to identify that and take care of the Tonberry OR if you have good AoE, run into the center stack.

At least, that's my opinion on that.

[Bigpurpleharness]

At least, that's my opinion on that.

Just throwing this out there (Not disagreeing with you, just sharing knowledge), a single holy will one shot all the tonberries. A Crit stone 2 will also, a stone 2 and stone will take care of them non crit. There is also repose. Again, this really isn't pointed at you so much as educating in general that it really isn't hard for a healer to handle themselves, especially a WHM.

I think OP's healer is being lazy. My DS Regen heals the tank through everything but multistacked Grudge, so I generally tell the group I'll handle adds. I nuke the first wave with Stone 2, then holy each one after that. It allows the DPS to burn down the boss, and has the added benefit of me knowing exactly how much grudge damage is going out, which I wouldn't if a DPS killed one a bit late and thus gave the King a stack I wasn't expecting.

[YuiSasaki]

Hm, sometimes i should read the previous posts :<. Even though getting hit by 1 grudge doesnt kill you afaik. The dmg should be close to 2000. Hmhm.

Edit: And again i did not read your post to the end xD... *blush*
I wonder though, do they insta-grudge you on target change? Can't remember that. I might do some testing^^

[LiadansWhisper]

Hm, sometimes i should read the previous posts :<. Even though getting hit by 1 grudge doesnt kill you afaik. The dmg should be close to 2000. Hmhm.

Edit: And again i did not read your post to the end xD... *blush*
I wonder though, do they insta-grudge you on target change? Can't remember that. I might do some testing^^

99% sure that it's a proximity thing. I know I have a habit of being out on the edge, because of the ingrained ranged idea of "do not be near the boss or he will eat you." Most healers I've run with (as DPS) have the same habit. If you're standing near the water (like on the outer edge of the circle to the left or right) and a tonberry on the tank (i.e. next to the boss, who is being tanked near the center of the room/towards the center-to-back) suddenly aggros on you, they're too far away to reach you in one "round" and I believe that is the trigger for the grudge. Like I said, I do believe that there was more than one tonberry (as it makes little sense that he'd get threat off of just one tonberry from healing, since he'd be building threat fairly equally among them), but it's possible that the healer only saw one (or the OP only saw one) before dropping.

Like I said, they can melee you until the cows come home and it really doesn't hurt, but the grudge hits like a mack truck.

[Devaking55]

Snip.

if you dont bother to protect yourself, im not bothered to kill the 1 mob that's beating your face haha. point being is if you cant handle one mob that CAN DIE in 1 hit your a fail player and should stop playing. now it would be different if it wasnt the tonberry boss, this would be the tanks fault

[LiadansWhisper]

was on tonberry king in a wp speed run, and the whm was apparently being attacked by 1 tonberry... then died. I asked him why he didnt just clerics stance and dps it down?

he proceeded to flip, saying its the dps' job to kill mobs attacking the healer...which i dont agree with, but under normal circumstances i wouldnt mind. In this particular circumstance i dont think the dps should stop dpsing the boss to kill one mob that a healer can kill in 1 or 2 cast. C'mon if you let yourself get owned by a derpberry you shouldnt throw a tantrum right?

does this kind of thing happen to people often? just wondering

If you're a DPS that doesn't care about your healer, don't be surprised when your healer doesn't care to heal you. I always keep an eye out for the healer, and will even tank mobs for a healer because they're busy healing, which is something they can't exactly stop doing just because the tank decides to be a derphead and not bother to pick up stray mobs.

[Ghishlain]

If you're a DPS that doesn't care about your healer, don't be surprised when your healer doesn't care to heal you. I always keep an eye out for the healer, and will even tank mobs for a healer because they're busy healing, which is something they can't exactly stop doing just because the tank decides to be a derphead and not bother to pick up stray mobs.

I agree with this, though XIV is a weird game in the sense that the only thing a DPS can really do to save their healer is to kill the mob out right (no problem in this case because of the mob). If it was any other mob, the WHM is pretty much on their own since their healing aggro will far outpace any DPS aggro, so they will need to heal themselves through the beating.

IN THE SAME TOKEN though, it was a Speedrun. The players would've been fairly overgeared. Why the WHM didn't just kill the tonberry him/herself, I don't know. I can one shot all the tonberries in a single Holy (I tend to do this as Grudge is going off so it doesn't accumulate much Rancor).

[Professor_Ozpin]

The best way to do this fight is for the whm to stand in the center wait for the tonberrys tocome to center switch to clerics and cast 1 holy.. 1 holy is all it takes and then they can switch back out of clerics to heal the tank... A healer who just stands there and waits for people to take damage and doesn't cast a dps spell inbetween is a bad healer...