(Un)Official Arcanist/Summmoner Feedback Thread

[Saiken]

@Pandabearcat

Those ideas don't really resolve core "problems" with SMNs pets. I'm not saying make Ifrit do x2 the damage of garuda(nor did I actually say that) but some utility that synergizes with both the SMN and the rest of the party would be a step in the right direction to help alleviate the problems that SMN will face down the road; like when they add new pets that, unless they address the problems that arises from balancing around Contagion, will either be utterly useless(ifrit currently) or completely better(quite possibly shiva/ramuh) depending on what they do.

I kind of like our pets taking the supportive role and we SMNs being the main form of DPS, I just want to see better synergy/support from the Egis in this game.

[Saiken]

Akiza, I like those ideas (mainly because it's like a call-back to ffxi), but that seems a little too powerful if we're also doing the massive amount of damage that we're doing already haha.

[Akiza]

Akiza, I like those ideas (mainly because it's like a call-back to ffxi), but that seems a little too powerful if we're also doing the massive amount of damage that we're doing already haha.

We do a massive amount of damage but with a slow ramp up compared to other classes and we don't have much in the way of burst aoe damage so summoning Esper versions of the Primals won't make us that much more powerful than a Black Mage and other damage dealears. Espers would be a support AOE Burst and party synergy pet making the Summoner a Damage Over time job with AOE Burst Damage like the iconic Summoners before FFX.

[T0rin]

I for one appreciate the lack of burst damage, both ST and especially for AoE. It is what sets us apart from other classes, and is probably a contributing factor in avoiding the nerfhammer. I personally see no reason at all to give SMN more burst damage potential.

[Kevee]

I for one appreciate the lack of burst damage, both ST and especially for AoE. It is what sets us apart from other classes, and is probably a contributing factor in avoiding the nerfhammer. I personally see no reason at all to give SMN more burst damage potential.

IT's not like we can't burst with Fester/Enkindle, anyways.

I hit a 3.7k Fester on Asclepius last night. It was pretty awesome.

Edit: FR was not BV'd, so that's at least a 4.1k crit with it.

[T0rin]

IT's not like we can't burst with Fester/Enkindle, anyways.

I hit a 3.7k Fester on Asclepius last night. It was pretty awesome.

Edit: FR was not BV'd, so that's at least a 4.1k crit with it.

I guess in context, it would be burst compared to BLM/BRD/etc. Fester has some lead time, and/or requires anticipation and preparation. Enkindle is a little Burst, or requires 2 other cooldowns to be used in conjunction.

I hit a 4.1k fester on Asclepius last night. Was so proud. Told my FC, they couldn't care less. :P

I like the Burst we do have. It isn't much, it isn't sustainable or frequently repeatable. In terms of things to write home to mom about the class, burst damage would fit in the foot notes. The ramp up time, the long burst cooldowns, these are the things that keep things more balanced than not.

I guess the point I was going to make is that we don't need _more_ burst, not that we don't have any at all.

[Dyvid]

I'm curious on how Egi's are going to do in PvP.

If we are talking about balancing out Ifrit and Garuda I would reduce G's dps slightly and replace I's Radiant Shield with Eruption that cause DoT based on what is appealed to the targeted mob. Then again the Egi's shouldn't need to be balanced but designed so each has a specific purpose (CC, dps both AoE and single target).

The biggest issue we have is FFXI and trying to fit 14 Summoners into that role. You can't be a FFXI Summoner and at the same time you are. As an Arcanist you can chose to DPS (Summoner) or chose to Heal (Scholar). Egi's act as the dps BP while Fairies are support BP.

Going in lines of defined roles for our current Egi's
Ifrit would be my go to AoE dps focusing on up close AoE attacks
Garuda would be my single target dps focusing on distant single target attacks
Titan would be my CC focusing on bind and AoE threat attacks

[Shamirah]

SCH and SMN will be OP in pvp.

[Kevee]

SCH and SMN will be OP in pvp.

This.

Also Ifrit will finally see a use.

[pandabearcat]

I dunno how people still say SMN has a slow ramp up time.

Because of initial fester burst and the fact that our DoTs don't actually take that long to finish, we should hit "average" dps (or over it) right after fester, and peter down slowly until the next fester, at which point we will be generally doing average dps.

Look at monk if you want to see slow ramp up (I'm talking if they don't have PB).