Is Siren not getting a primal fight?...

[KoujiGeki]

She could be a lesser primal with a lesser means to touch servants. I use to think as you fought Garuda and she claims she touched you ment siren. And I mean there are elder primals like bahamut and Odin so there could be lesser primals and siren could be one.

True BUT Garuda said touched and you do fight siren almost right before Garuda to which is why I thought it originally over the crystal. Also cause maybe the version of the normal primals "touch doesn't effect us" a lesser form might. I know it's probably not but it be cooler is it was

[Velox]

ITT: People who have no idea about classical mythology

Educate yourselves :P

[KoujiGeki]

I mean imagine you we're an all powerful god that couldn't do one thing that you normally could like touch. How mad would you be if a lesser god could. Which also was the reason she said "she touched you". Which unless you ate mindless slave to the mother crystal /selfrealization. Could mean siren did something to you Garuda can't undo

[FMElan]

Garuda's scene was just a repeat of the event that happened with Ifrit earlier in the game, though. Waaaaay before you met Siren. Ifrit tried to temper you, failed, and it was revealed that The Echo makes you immune to it.

[Felis]

I mean imagine you we're an all powerful god that couldn't do one thing that you normally could like touch. How mad would you be if a lesser god could. Which also was the reason she said "she touched you". Which unless you ate mindless slave to the mother crystal /selfrealization. Could mean siren did something to you Garuda can't undo

I still say Garuda meant Hydalin.
Hydalin gave us the Echo. The Echo make us immune against the primals mind-controls. Garuda couldn't do her thing with us because the Echo, which we got from Hydalin. That did Garuda very angry against Hydalin.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

Don`t begin with that crap about "these are the only primals".

When Midgardsorm destroyed and Agrias`s core in the lake, at least hundreds of primals (ifrit and titan were cleary distinguible in the cutscene) were liberated. Probably they scatered all over the planet and not just eorzea (which is only a continent) so the actual potential for having more primals is way more than "these are, period." Siren could perfectly be one of those primals, as king moogle is and as maybe any other summon in the FF mythos can be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G3YUHbHL5w

Arround min 5:50. Watch the whole thing anyways, is great.

So, Siren could pretty much be a primal granted they don`t need to be summoned by a beast tribe -Bahamut and Odin as examples-.

And we have a lot of space to hold a lot more of primals. The only limitation is developing time and love for mythos.

As i want to belive, FFXIV someday will be more than just eorzea.

Siren MUST be a primal.

[Felis]

A primal where you don't need the echo to protect your mind is not a primal.

[KoujiGeki]

True Siren could be an elder seeing as they don't need ppl to summon them they just show up

[FMElan]

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Nobody's saying "these are the only Primals." They're saying "These are the only ones we know about." Your argument that Siren MUST be a Primal because there are lots of primals falls flat, when it could be used to refer to literally anything in the game. Hell, the Crystal Tower MUST be a Primal, because there are hundreds of them. The Siren we've seen is just one of many. They specifically refer to her as a Siren, not the Siren for a reason.

And Mog's not a Primal. It's already been stated in the lore, by the devs, etc. He's a myth given life.

[KoujiGeki]

the fact that Garuda can summon two other of her species show thats there are more than the one Primal, Garuda just might be the one worshipped more. And to those saying that ff8 doesnt count, then why is Carbuncle count hes was just as useless as Carby except Siren would be a perfect egi for Summoner cause she was an enfeebling summon in 8.